Shocking the system - Page 2

allyphoe · #16 (**permalink**) July 5th, 2008, 10:08 PM

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Just thought I'd get in on this fun.

LOL.

FWIW (which is exactly nothing, because the plural of anecdote isn't data), I lost 60+ pounds at a consistent 15 pounds every 2 months, and slowed down for the next 10+ pounds because I intentionally raised my calories. No plateaus, no stalls, no slowdowns. Plenty of times when I was frustrated, sure, but looking back at the numbers, I lost at exactly the same pace when it felt hard as it did when it felt easy. No days off, and an insignificant amount of variance in my intake levels (<10% up or down from average on any given day).

Junaid · #17 (**permalink**) July 6th, 2008, 01:15 AM

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I've lost almost 60 pounds so far at a constant rate of 2-5lbs a week. There are no "plateaus" they are what you make of them.

Just thought I'd get in on this fun.

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Originally Posted by allyphoe

FWIW (which is exactly nothing, because the plural of anecdote isn't data), I lost 60+ pounds at a consistent 15 pounds every 2 months, and slowed down for the next 10+ pounds because I intentionally raised my calories. No plateaus, no stalls, no slowdowns. Plenty of times when I was frustrated, sure, but looking back at the numbers, I lost at exactly the same pace when it felt hard as it did when it felt easy. No days off, and an insignificant amount of variance in my intake levels (<10% up or down from average on any given day).

Those are fantastic achievements, and you guys are obviously doing things perfectly for you.

The problem is that there are far too many people that adopt the 'less is better' mentality and end up hitting a wall, or even making themselves very sick. For many years I have tried to reason with people like that, but they are almost *too* motivated (in the short term at least) - its not laziness, maybe pigheadedness yes.

Instead of trying to play psychologist with them, I offer them a crutch instead. And it works with their personalities. It's not perfect and not at all sophisticated nutritional science (I don't pretend to be a nutrition scientist), but its better than silently condemning them be overfat for the rest of their lives just because they don't want to listen to 'reason'. Of course, the trouble is getting them to willingly adopt a healthier lifestyle once they've reached or are close to their goal. I usually end up offering a different crutch in that case, which is again not perfect, but 'ok' from a nutrition standpoint and not totally incongruent with the personality involved.

Steve · #18 (**permalink**) July 6th, 2008, 07:54 AM

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Well, I said "look into the work of Dr. John Berardi", not "prostrate and pray to an image of".

So you're implying that we should discard any offerings from the likes of Berardi, Lonnie Lowery, Will Brink, Mike Roussell, Joel Marion, Tim Ziegenfuss, Chris Lockwood, Christopher Mohr and all the other knowledgeable men and women working in this field?

Ohhhh, it's all clear to me now.

Between the signature rule violation and now the above quote, it's easy to see you have trouble with reading comprehension.

I'm sorry.

You've found it amazingly easy to twist my words into something they're not. Keep painting pictures though... I'm sure it works on most forums you pitch your 'knowledge' on but I have faith this one is smart enough to weed out the snake oil and intellectual dishonesty.

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What about those working silently in the 'background', including the people that the current experts have (or are) studied under. I'm not even sure that McDonald would be flattered by your sentiment.

Hahahaha, I could simply ask him since I'm interviewing him right now you twit.

Again, with the picture painting.... stop.

It's making you look pathetic.

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And leptin? There's nothing magical about leptin. You may want to re-read your Lyle McDonald collection.

Show me where I said Leptin = magic.

Wow, this is actually pretty amazing.

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I have seen many cases where a highly motivated dieter was eating far fewer calories than recommended at time. Sometimes as few as 500 calories, which only became apparent after looking at the person's food log. This seems to happen *after* the dieter 'unknowingly' lowers calories in response to a plateau. Not everyone screws up their 'diet' by eating too much.

I didn't say this.

You need to put the brush down and rethink your responses. That is, if you want to be taken seriously around here. So far you've done nothing but reply to my post by debating points I've never made. It's like you're arguing with yourself. That's not going to work.

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In those cases, what I recommended works - and on the ground - not just on a piece of paper that cites dozens of scientific publications to support a pet viewpoint...

Your presumptuous behavior makes you look even more pathetic here as you know nothing about me, my qualifications or my experience with my clients.

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Which is exactly what you nutrition experts say when you mean to talk about the calories from protein, fat, carbs, alcohol, ketones, etc. But yes, I wasn't clear and thanks for pointing it out.

Do you think this is helping your cause?

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I'm surprised that you even say that a calorie is a calorie after citing Lyle McDonald. As I said, re-read your Lyle McDonald collection.

Please explain how a calorie can be anything but a calorie.

And are you suggesting that I solely recommend reading Lyle McDonald? Stop reading into things. Are you 12 years old or something? So far you haven't made one valid point to anything I've stated yet it appears you think you're arguing The Good Point. It's very odd.

I simply suggested Lyle over JB in the context of what we're discussing here, is all.

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Well, this is from the FAQ, but point taken, I'll read the rules again:

Signatures, Avatars and Profile Pictures

What are signatures?

'Signatures' contain information that you want to include at the bottom of all your posts. This might include pictures, links to your site(s), quotes, etc."

The link in my sig was simply to my blog. In fact, it's the bold, uppercase, extra-large font "LOOK INTO MY EYES" link in YOUR signature that I took the lead from. But as I said, I'll have another look at the rules.

Does the link in my sig include clickbank links that make me profit? No.

Did yours?

Yes.

This about sums up what your intent is here.

Steve · #19 (**permalink**) July 6th, 2008, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Junaid

Those are fantastic achievements, and you guys are obviously doing things perfectly for you.

The problem is that there are far too many people that adopt the 'less is better' mentality and end up hitting a wall, or even making themselves very sick.

There are 30000+ members here, most of whom don't diet like retards.

Maybe you should stick around and do some reading before making blanket statements lacking little context.

douknowjello · #20 (**permalink**) July 7th, 2008, 06:54 AM

Meh...unfortunately I've dieted like a retard most of my life until recently. Most people don't try the cabbage soup diet TWICE :X All joking aside though I should mention I haven't crash dieted since my early 20s but this forum has helped me alot. I think I'm finally getting it through my skull that it doesn't matter whether I lose weight or not if I'm not taking care of myself and doing it the right way. I love that even though this is a weight loss forum, the over all atmosphere and focus is on getting healthy no matter what size you are.

OH and ok, I also love it when the diet industry tries to infiltrate the forum and the big guns come out a blazin'