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Old July 9th, 2008, 11:12 AM
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Okay so, i've looked around a bit on the forums, and i have a few questions. First off let me introduce myself.

My name is Jeppe and i'm 22 years old, live in denmark. I'm currently weighing around 242lbs(110Kg) i'm 5ft 9 i think(1.82m) always been rather on the heavy side.. here's to me actually doing something now i guess :P

Well off to my questions: For a guy my size, aiming to do lifting 3 times a week and cardio 6-7 days a week, what would be the caloric intake i should aim for?

Another question is, with the right calorie amount, should i ever feel hungry ? I know some cant be avoided i guess, but as it is now, i cant stop thinking about food even 1 hour after my dinner /sadface

Well thats about it i guess! Thanks for reading and i hope some will take the time to answer my possibly stupid questions

PS: woot first post, no moar lurking

Edit: also, i couldnt find anything on the back of my coffee bag, how many calories in this godly black stuff ? hehe
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Old July 9th, 2008, 11:38 AM
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Hey Jeppe, welcome to WLF. The answers to a lot of your questions are in the sticky threads. You should read over them. It will tell you about what your target calories should be with your weight, height, and fitness level. I know you shouldn't go under 1800.

As far as feeling hungry goes. I did for the first week or two when I started, but I just stuck with the smaller portions. Now I'm rarely hungry, although I do eat 6 small meals a day. I think my stomach just had to shrink from my binge/overeating in the past.

Good luck! Make a plan for a healthy diet, one that you can stick to for the rest of your life.
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Edit: also, i couldnt find anything on the back of my coffee bag, how many calories in this godly black stuff ? hehe
that'd be none -however, if you put stuff into your coffee, ie milk, sugar, etc - those calories can add up...

As much as I practically worship coffee - keep in mind that it does have diuretic effects on the body -so make sure you're also drinking plenty of water
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Old July 9th, 2008, 12:21 PM
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Thanks for the answers people, i appreciate it

About the calories, its just that i find alot of varying opinions around the net, some say 2200, others say over 3000 :S It gets a bit confusing... hehe

Great about the coffee! I worship it as well.. hehe
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Old July 9th, 2008, 12:28 PM
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if you check the stickied thread in nutrition - you'll find a link the the harris benedict formula -this will give you an idea of your bmr - which are the calories you'd need were you to sit on your behind all day -then factoring in activity.

Though keep inmind that there is no one size fits all number - you have to make adjustments -but you are far better off starting with as high a number of calories as possible so that way you've got room to adjust as your weight drops...
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Okay so i read a bit more, thanks mal for pointing me in the right direction, according to the formula i should probably eat around 2900-3000 calories o.o sounds like alot, but i guess if i stay true to my schedule, i should lose weight... man im so motivated right now! This forum has gotten me off my chair the last 14 days, especially the before after forum is wicked for some inspiration..
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With that kind of calorie level I imagine that hunger will not be too much of a problem. It is actually surprising how much fruit and vegetable you can have for a much lower amount of calories. If I am hungry - I eat, but I try to always make it healthy stuff.
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MMMM... All this talk about coffee is giving me a serious craving for some Starbucks!!!

Welcome and good luck Jbt!

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I made this coffee thing the other day that was pretty good, and fairly low in calories. In a blender I put 1 C. cold, black, french vanilla coffee, 1/2 packet of 100 calorie cappuccino mix, 1/4 C. water, 1/4 C. fat free milk, 1 tablespoon Silk french vanilla creamer, and ice, and blended it all together. It was really good. I think it only had about 100 calories. You have to make the cappuccino first by heating the milk and water, and then adding half the packet, and then let it cool before you put it in the blender.
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Should never have had this much coffee, cant sleep now >< turned around in bed for an hour before giving up.

And wow, that sounds really delicious Abs, maybe ill try that out.. i usually just drink black coffee.. never really tried any special coffee
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Okay so i read a bit more, thanks mal for pointing me in the right direction, according to the formula i should probably eat around 2900-3000 calories o.o sounds like alot, but i guess if i stay true to my schedule, i should lose weight... man im so motivated right now! This forum has gotten me off my chair the last 14 days, especially the before after forum is wicked for some inspiration..
My advice is to be sure to keep a food diary so you can accurately calculate the number of calories you are eating each day. It makes such a big difference. Glad to see you are so motivated and inspired. I am looking forward to seeing your progress
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Old July 10th, 2008, 05:24 AM
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Well it looks like ive been eating well under what is good for me apparently.. i guess i shouldve known, since i was practically hungry all the time :P Anyway i started keeping track of what i eat... on that note, does anyone know a good site that states how much kcal there are in common foods?

Man is it hard to get started on working out, especially cardio, I think I only went 2 mins today of running before i had to stop, I feel so tense in my legs.. i hope it gets better soon.. though im really loving working out in the gym, lifting weights hehe, been going for 2 weeks now 3 days a week, im hoping to catch my instructor friday or monday and maybe get to some free weights soon.. looks like alot of fun.

Woops, did some browsing on the web, found what i was looking for in the form of a danish website.. lists alot of common foods, great!

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I understand that under 1400 calories a day slows your metabolic furnace. Triggers starvation mode "slow things down we are in a famine". This is a major cause of yo-yo dieting.

I would be sure you are eating healthy first and getting what you need nutrionally. I think most people tend to be lacking nutrionally.

As a man you should be getting 25 (35 for women) grams of fiber a day. This triggers a helpful reaction called "fiber flush" which can effectively lower your calorie level under 1400 without triggering your starvation mode, keeping your metabolism high.

Basically fiber absorbs and eliminates calories while tricking the starvation trigger.

About 9 calories of fiber flush per gram of fiber.
25 grams of fiber absorbs and eliminates about 225 calories of "fiber flush".
35 grams of fiber absorbs and eliminates about 315 calories of "fiber flush".
Of course more is better up to about 50 - 60 gram a day.

Also be sure you are getting your essential fatty acids (EFA). These are the fats that your body can't produce. If missing from your diet your body retains fat to compensate.

Avocado oil (try to get about 6 tablespoons or more a day) or olive oil if you like it better. Though Avocado oil is better. Raw almonds are great for this type of fat. Two four ounce servings of deep water fish a week for the Omega 3 and 6 fatty acids. Salmon, tuna, cod, most deep water fish.

EFA nutrient subliments help as it difficult to get the omega 3 and 6 oils. I take 1200mg per day. There are so many contridicting daily recommended allowances. 1,000mg to 1,500mg a day is a good dosage. You body eliminates what you can't use of this nutrient.

A good multi vitamin. Find a good vitamin that has all your normal vitamins plus many overlooked trace minerals. I use One A Day mens formula every day. The womens formula looks good also. One-A-Day also has a Weight Smart Advanced vitamin. I take this every other day to keep from going over the recommended daily allowance of Vitamin A.

Your body does not eliminate excess Vitamin A, so it is possible to overdose, so to speak. At extreme levels it has been known to cause death. 5,000 to 10,000 IU (Independent Units) of Vitamin A is the normal recommended dosage. To get to the point of serious concern, would require 100,000 IU's taken daily for over a period of a month. Luckily your skin changes to a nice shade of yellow to signal you of the vitamin A poisoning.

Two optional subliments that help weight loss is L-Carnitine and Co Q-10. These are expensive but they help rev up your metabolism.

L-Carnitine this is the fat burner. Causes your body to burn fat. Let me clarify that. It helps make your fat more accessable to your body's cells for energy.

Your body uses two fuels. 1) Glucose (sugars) 2) Fats.

Fats burn more effiencently as fuel. Produces more energy (uses about 5% of the fuel as compared to sugars) and burns cleaner, less waste. From your bodies perspective it is more green, so to speak.

Glucose (sugar) burns ineffiecently, and needs a great deal of glucose to keep the cells fed. You may have felt "your blood sugar level drop" and kind of a woosy feeling. You feel this urge to eat something NOW! That are your bodies cells running out of fuel and craving more.

L-Carnitine transports more fat cells to your bodies cells. It is a lot of cellular microbiology stuff. But think of it as a bus transporting fuel to your factories, L-Carnitine has more seats on the bus.

L-Carnitine is just plain expensive about $75(us) at Health food stores, for a 30 day supply. Recommended daily dosage is 200mg, six times a day. I just bought a 3 month from a online health food store for $50(us). But it was a one time special purchase. Oh, check the date on the package has a shelf life of 9 months.

Don't buy L-Carnitine until you have your diet in place because you won't get any benefit until you cut your calories and train your body to use fat for fuel. If you don't know how to do this, skip this nutrient for now.

Co Q-10 this is the energy subliment that everyone is talking about. Without the hype, it is a critical chemical that your body's cells use to create energy. Co Q-10 is a recent discovery and there are claims from it is the "fountain of youth" to hair restoration and more.

When missing from your diet it creates an unexplainable lack of energy. There is not a recommended daily dosage for this but 30mg three times a day is generally accepted as a good benchmark. Any excess your body can't use is eliminated. Try to space these out equally during the day as the effects of C Q-10 are consumed in 3 to 5 hours. I take 50 mg 3 times a day. More when I feel my energy wain.

Co Q-10 costs about $60(us) to $90(us) for a one month supply (90 tablets)at health food stores. I recently found Co Q-10 at Wal-Mart for under $15 for a 1 month supply.

I didn't intend to write this much, but I believe strongly that the body can take care of itself, if you give it what it needs. Your body will automatically regulate itself when it has everything it needs to function properly.

A quick recap
1) Fiber - 25 grams a day for men 35 grams a day for women
2) Essential fatty acids (EFA) - 6 tablespoons of avocado oil, 2 4oz servings of fish a week and 1000-1500 mg of Omega 3 and 6 oils a day.
3) A good multi vitamin like one-a-day
4) Co Q-10 30 mg three times a day, to help your weight loss and give you more energy.
5) If you are doing Cardio and Weights, and training your body to burn fat instead of sugar 200mg of L-Carnitine 6 times a day will rev up your weight loss. I've seen it give spectacular results.

Concentrate on getting healthy first. Your weight will take care of itself.

Sorry about the length of this post but this info was so hard for me to come by, I wanted you to have enough to be able to put it to good use.

Good Luck

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I should have mentioned water. About a gallon a day, 8 8ox glasses. I drink between a gallon and two gallons of pure distilled water a day.
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Thanks for that post richie.. I must admit it seems like im getting in over my head.. so much to know, never thought a weight loss could be kinda complicated.. ill have to workout a plan for my eating, i'm not that good in a kitchen sadly.. mostly for snacks i eat whole wheat "Rugbrød"(its basically dark bread) im not sure what its called in english, then for dinner ill usually have something containing chicken/ground beef/liver(dont really like it that much, but i heard its good for you) with some whole wheat pasta/potatoes/bulgur.. breakfast is usually oatmeal with milk... this is all with fruits and vegetables on top of every meal. I think its ok, can be a bit boring though :P maybe ill give it some more thought, at least i need to make a ratio with protein/fat/carbs i guess?

again thanks for all your posts, you deserve rep all of you :P
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