Excellent point Steve - thank you!

yo steve i like da way you tell it. ya dont beat round da bush a nothin so I wanna know what you think about what i'm doin with my weight loss situation

Well come to my journal to discuss it. I think I hijacked this thread enough.

Look forwad to hearing from you.

I'm actually not interested in your help. But thanks anyways.

The only way to determine your fat burning zone is to get an actual test that determines your seven heart rate zones and determines your lactic and anaerobic thresholds. Heart rates can be measured. Heart rate zones cannot be estimated. High intensity or low intensity are abstract concepts unless they are supported by empirical data that scientifically categorizes them as high intensity or low intensity. Every single person has a zone where they burn fat most optimally. Training in a junk zone that is too light in intensity is a waste of time if fat burning is the goal for that activity. Training in a zone that is too intense can result in the body eating its own tissues and muscle. There is a zone. It needs to be scientifically determined and can only be trained in with a heart rate monitor. Estimation rarely works. As well, every six weeks or so, the same tests must be carried out. The heart rate zone changes with improved fitness levels. A person cannot determine their fat burning zone any more than a mechanic can look at a parked car and determine what is going on under the hood.

You said the test costs $800. I don't think I could afford to be paying out that kind of money every 6 weeks.

Once you have the first test, you can certainly set up a formula to measure gains without the test. It isn't perfect, but it is better than nothing. I will talk to the individuals who administer the tests (work with many Olympians, Professional stars and the man off the street as well), and see if they can give me a more acute description of things. Give me a couple days if you don't mind. I will try to find as many manual tests as possible.

I feel very sorry for you. Very. And my last few posts were not directed toward you. Don't worry. They were directed to the others in the forum who actually listen to science. I was done "helping" you a long time ago. Thanks for the clarification though.

I suggest you take some time and do your homework, especially before coming at me with ignorant BS. You can lose weight however the hell you want. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to expend more energy than you take in. But when you start spouting off about what is optimal, again, I suggest you do your homework.

Grediagin A, et al. Exercise intensity does not effect body composition change in untrained, moderately overfat women. J Am Diet Assoc. 1995 Jun;95(6):661-5.

Mougios V, et al. Does the intensity of an exercise programme modulate body composition changes? Int J Sports Med. 2006 Mar;27(3):178-81.

Okura T, et al. Effects of exercise intensity on physical fitness and risk factors for coronary heart disease. Obes Res. 2003 Sep;11(9):1131-9.

Tremblay, et al. Impact of exercise intensity on body fatness and skeletal muscle metabolism. Metabolism. 1994 Jul;43(7):814-8

Yoshioka M, et al. Impact of high-intensity exercise on energy expenditure, lipid oxidation and body fatness. Int J Obes Relat Metab Disord. 2001 Mar;25(3):332-9.

Broeder CE, et al. The effects of either high-intensity resistance or endurance training on resting metabolic rate. Am J Clin Nutr. 1992 Apr;55(4):802-10.

For anyone who actually cares about science, much of the research that is long withstanding actually shows better muscle maintenance through the utilization of higher intensity exercise modes.

HIIT, being one form of high intensity training, is not recommended by almost every single elite coach on all levels of sport for no reason at all.

Give me a break.

Let me ask you this:

You lost this argument when you based your entire side on the idea that burning fat is required or optimal for fat loss.

You're right. I lost. You won. Congratulations. When do you get your championship ring made?

lol

my final comment is that I am training in a fat burning zone. This does not mean that the fat burning takes place only in that period when you are training in the zone. The body goes through a complex process to fuel and recover fuel and metabolic rates are of huge importance.

For your information, my testing and programs are designed by one of the world's best athletic trainers. He works with Olympic gold medallists, has stood on the podium, and is flown all over the world to work with the best of the best. He has worked with 180 of your best in the US. He was also trained and educated in eastern block countries when those countries were dominating the world. He currently has the 2 fittest athletes (male and female) in the world. He has a bit of experience.

With all due respect to you and your stellar/superior knowledge, I think I will probably stick with someone who is the best in the world. But thanks.

You are a moron. Period.

just so you know, I am not debating training. I started off by answering YOUR question about why I would exercise the way I choose. I am a former three sport college athlete, who has worked with many athletes who are now making millions in professional sports. You have chosen to turn this into a debate. I answered a specific question.

As well, I heard you refer to a very, very nice person as "morbidly obese". That's really nice. That would be like me saying you have a great build but you look like Howdy Doody. It wouldn't be nice, but it would be true.

I never asked for your help. Find someone else who wants it. I seriously don't want or need it.

Thanks for proving my above point.

I may be a moron. If so, that would be even more reason why I would stick to knowledgeable (and shirt wearing) experts when I get my advice.

But thanks.

Do you have anything useful to add to this conversation? Other than, "I work with the greatest trainer in the world and I know athletes making millions."

Realize, I never once brought any of my personal "life qualifications" into this discussion. I really don't like to get emotionally attached to things of this nature. I find it to be idiocy in its purest form.

I only ever stated facts. Well, up until the point where you started being a moron, I only stated facts.

Mind you, YOU came to a public forum. If you didn't expect discussion or debate, then yes, my point stands.... you are a moron.

I think you have proven this point time and time again already. Trying to cut me down b/c I am not wearing a shirt in a picture. Haha, is that really all you have?

Keep going. This is a riot.

Who is your trainer? That goodness he is the best in the world, b/c the level of intelligence you have presented in this discussion has certainly proven that you need the best if there is any hope for you whatsoever.

it's my thread......lol

if I want to talk about eating dirt, I can. You have hijacked the thread.

If I am a moron, then I will be easy to ignore. As in.....why do you keep coming back?