gentlemen - -please... a little forum decorum pretty please...


mommy has a wicked bad headache today

Good straw man argument. Bravo.

Get used to it, you will find me in a lot of threads around this forum.

I don't even know why you need a support forum if you have the best damn trainer in the world.

I suggest taking your sycophant ass elsewhere if you are going to continue spewing misinformation. If you choose not to leave, and continue to spew misinformation.... stay tuned for MANY discussions/debates.

wow.

i didn't spew any misinformation. you chose to ask me a question which i chose to answer. just like i can now say i choose to pretend you don't exist. lol

Wow, you like to get hung up on semantics.

/Ferret sends Mal a nice back rub....

I have to say, I don't understand why you would bother coming on a public internet forum.

First of all, there are no threads that are "owned" by any individual. This thread is no more "your" thread than it is mine. Sure, we all try to respect each other's threads by staying on topic, but the only way to truly "own" a thread is to start your own web site. If you come here, you are implicitly agreeing that ANY thread you start may be added onto by ANY person.

Second, if you have the greatest athletes in the world, and you take advice from a really cool guy who wears a shirt, why would you come on this forum. Is it to tell everyone about your theories of weight loss and metabolism? If so, then you surely expect some debate about your dubious points. Do you really expect that you can come on a forum like this, put out a so-called scientific theory, and then not have it challenged? If you do, then I would suggest the internet, or at least a public forum like this, is absolutely not the site for you.

May I suggest that instead you start a blog on Google, where you can simply delete the comments from those who disagree with you?

That's just fine that you don't want any help from anyone. Bravo. But the vast majority of us on this forum do. Some of that help comes in the form of emotional support from people who are struggling just like we are. A substantial piece of that help is in the form of knowledge -- what works, and what doesn't.

After all, there's a ton of crap knowledge out there -- stuff that's caused all of us to get derailed. Spot reducing. Fad diets. Secret foods. If I came on the forum and proposed my Miracle-Lose-10-Pounds-In-10-Days-By-Eating-Snickers Diet, do you suppose I would get challenged on it? I would hope so. You see, a lot of us, who are far weaker than you, just don't want to be sidetracked by these phone schemes any more.

You may think all your stuff about the "fat burning zone" is very scientific, but there's an ever increasing body of science that says the "fat burning zone" is just another one of those myths, to be put in the circular file along with "spot reducing." That's why there's so much interest in HIIT and intense interval training in cardio.

You don't want to read about that - fine. But if you come on this board and try to put forward your "fat burning zone" theory as science -- well, expect to be challenged. If you don't like that, you really might find a more receptive audience elsewhere.

thanks ferret nice to see someone pays attention to me

Very nice post Tom.

I must say to heading2buffdom (i think that is his sn) the last thing I want to do is gang up on you.

Please know that is not my intention. I also am not saying you came on preaching anything. I am well aware of the fact that preaching was not your intention. You were simply answering my question. It just so happened that I did not agree with your answer though.

So what? I was not attacking you personally. I was directing my focus on the topic at hand. Not you as a person.

There was no reason to get defensive about it. We are all adults. Let's discuss the opposing sides of the story. That is all. Telling me, or anyone else for that matter, that you work with one of the greatest trainers in the world does absolutely nothing in terms of credibility for your side of the story.

I meet some of the best trainers in the world a few times a year, all working with top level athletes. Big whoop. That says nothing about the topic at hand or about me and my knowledge. I have seen some of the best say things that were wrong. I have seen some of the best rescind their original statements.

I understand my efforts to explain my actions to you are most likely futile, but that is fine.

In reality, I hope you stick around the forum, as long as you are willing and able to discuss without getting so emotional. I am always down for some good discussion and even some debate when it is dealing with fitness and/or nutrition. In all honesty, I think this forum needs some more of it.

Best to you.

No problem. I am all for information and actually you are absolutely correct about your theory on energy balance and I really understand what you are saying. My whole idea was to answer that question and, therefore, was not thinking about anything than an abbrevated/quick answer. I will say that what you are saying is correct about the overall daily burn. Please take into consideration that the daily burn is exactly what I am after. Heavy, high intensity lifting has always been my ticket to buffdom. At this time, I am looking at taking off some weight early. I believe that this is my best approach to begin a journey toward health.

As for why I am here - I am here for support on my overeating. I have all of the resources at hand in theory, equipment etc. I am also athletic and still in pretty fair athletic condition. I am just a brutal, brutal overeater.

As for you, Tom - If my conversation with Steve reached "barb" status, that is basically between me and him. My reasons for being on a public forum is my reasons and I can assure you it was to simply come on and talk about my situation and get it out there. I did it in an honest, caring and open fashion. This brought about my dialogue with Steve. We have it sorted out. Barb status has been achieved between he and I...........I really don't understand why you would choose to get into it. But, if you wanna go a few rounds, so be it.

Can't you pick your own fights with a fresh opponent. I just went 15 rounds. Find a fresh sparring partner. It takes no skill to jump in the ring with someone who just went 15 rounds. It was actually kinda junior high school if you ask me.

PS - Steve - no hard feelings.

I look forward to hearing more about you as time goes on. I wish I could eat more!!!! I have so much trouble eating the food required now just to keep me over 200. It is a job in itself.

Best to you and see you around the board.

I really have no idea what on earth you are talking about.

I have no particular quarrel with you personally, just with some of the stuff you were saying, and the way you were approaching this forum.

I don't view this as some sort of boxing match.

But I'll stay out of "your" thread from now on. So long.

When the old blast furnace is set so hot that you could drop a chocolate factory into it and still drop body fat. lol

It can be a pain in the ass too though, depending on your goals.

Please consider that THIS particular thread is a newcomer thread. I came on, gave my story with all I had, with no holding back, and ended up debating. Then you come on and get into it. Think about it. This thread is probably the most emotional thread a person could post if they are being open, and it turned into something different. Have a look at the post title. Time to stop Killing Myself with food.

If I had posted that Goat Piss three times a day burns calories, I would expect some critique. This was SUPPOSED to be an emotional, cathartic, therapeutic FIRST post. The fact that it has turned into anything else is sad for me.

Like I said, it is MY post. I wrote about ME...my addiction, my issues......if ever there was a time when a person could feel protective about a post and the meaning behind it.....this may be it.

I am not looking for sympathy. I think that is clear. But what started out as a beautiful opportunity for me, has turned into a freaking trainwreck.

And if you don't care, or see that......then please do stay away from me.

Look, I apologize. I'm sorry we all got off on the wrong foot.

There really is a lot of good knowledge on this board and very supportive people.

You may care to start a journal, and I'm sure you'll find that out.

It's always difficult to ascertain what people are really like on the internet. Sometimes you just have to start over when things get off on the wrong foot.

So let me start over and wish you a warm welcome to WLF, and I hope you get the support and communication here you were looking for.