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May 1st, 2007, 12:46 PM
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Rep Power: 0 | | | Steve, is ketosis even real? I was under the impression it had at least SOME scientific premise... I'm wondering if you could take advantage ketosis and combine it with a healthy line up. I find my diet lacking carbs on some days and I currently haven't been watching them, it's just the things I like don't have that many! I see the point that in reality MOST low-carb success stories are actually just a deficit created "behind the scenes," but if you could use ketosis to jumpstart a healthy diet it seems like a win-win scenario. I have no clue what I’m talking about though, and although it doesn’t seem like it would be a drastic change, but would there be and retributions of doing that and then just keeping a deficit including carbs afterwards? |
May 1st, 2007, 01:22 PM
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Rep Power: 2236 | | Keesee, take a gander at this thread, started by a guy who's convinced Atkins is the perfect program. Ketosis made him so weak he couldn't exercise anymore. So it seems like it could jumpstart you, all right, but not into a healthy diet. |
May 1st, 2007, 05:25 PM
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Rep Power: 14324 | | Damn what did I miss? Steve you were being insulting? Usually you insult and apologize in the same thread, doesnt make sense.
Remember the thermic effect of feeding when eating more meals throughout the day. While it has minor metabolism increase, it still does more than eating 1-3 times per day. But I get what your saying  |
May 2nd, 2007, 02:04 AM
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Originally Posted by tonymcclellan  Damn what did I miss? Steve you were being insulting? Usually you insult and apologize in the same thread, doesnt make sense.
Remember the thermic effect of feeding when eating more meals throughout the day. While it has minor metabolism increase, it still does more than eating 1-3 times per day. But I get what your saying | Ahhh, I don't know about that. Eating 3 compared to 5 meals, at least with the research I have seen, does little to nothing in speeding up metabolism.
I wouldn't suggest eating 1, but certainly don't have a problem with 3. However, I also always say, the more the better. But not because of it's aid in speeding up metabolism.
If you care, I will certainly post the links to the research I am referring to.
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May 2nd, 2007, 04:21 AM
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Originally Posted by TomO Keesee, take a gander at this thread, started by a guy who's convinced Atkins is the perfect program. Ketosis made him so weak he couldn't exercise anymore. So it seems like it could jumpstart you, all right, but not into a healthy diet. | Honestly, it looks like he isn't nessasarily in tune with all there is to know about Atkins... I can't really afford to be weak as a side effect of a diet right now either. I tried Atkins with a little success a few years ago, but it didn't stay off and the loss wasnt significant. Thanks for the tips! |
May 2nd, 2007, 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve Ahhh, I don't know about that. Eating 3 compared to 5 meals, at least with the research I have seen, does little to nothing in speeding up metabolism.
I wouldn't suggest eating 1, but certainly don't have a problem with 3. However, I also always say, the more the better. But not because of it's aid in speeding up metabolism.
If you care, I will certainly post the links to the research I am referring to. | Thats why I said minor. Please do post them, Im always up for good info. |
May 2nd, 2007, 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by tonymcclellan Usually you insult and apologize in the same thread, doesnt make sense. | Cute!! I get the feeling Steve just loves to argue in general--but calls it "intellectual chess", not arguing. 
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May 2nd, 2007, 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by tonymcclellan Thats why I said minor. Please do post them, Im always up for good info. | Minor to the point where I wouldn't urge someone to eat an uncomfortable amount of meals. Comfortableness defined by the client of course. My general advice is to eat as many meals as you can that fit comfortably into your schedule. If that means one or two, then things need to change. If that means 3.... ahh, we can make do. 4+, we are in good shape.
I make this recommenation though, based not on anything with metabolic rate increases.
A lot of people spout off about how important it is. I have gotten into some heated debates with people too who say science backs it up. However, even if you (not your Tony) proved it to me through scientific analysis that eating more meals speeds up your metabolism to a point that actually matters in the long run, I would still argue it. Why? Well, when science doesn't match the real world, you don't throw out the real world and keep the science.... ya know what I mean!?
I mean, personally, I have gotten VERY lean eating 3 meals per day. I have worked with a lot of people with dietary recommendations and weight loss programs. Honestly, the rate of weight loss between my clients eating 3 meals opposed to 6 really weren't different.
Probably blabbing away too much. You probably know all of this anyhow Tony.
*Tony thinking, "Steve, just shut up and give me the studies." Entrez PubMed Entrez PubMed Entrez PubMed Entrez PubMed Entrez PubMed
I think I have more floating around at home, if you'd like more I can check later after work.
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May 2nd, 2007, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Curvie Girlie Cute!! I get the feeling Steve just loves to argue in general--but calls it "intellectual chess", not arguing. | I hate to argue, actually. But I will stand by my opinion until proven otherwise. And I hate people that take the time to contradict me, yet, have spent no time themselves to build a solid argument or contradictory debate.
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYONE IN THIS THREAD. VERY FEW IN THIS FORUM ACTUALLY.
It isn't about "arguing" for me. It is about the truth. And it is about filtering though the crap.
When I see crap, I am not afraid to call someone on it. And if you say my stuff is crap, that is fantastic! As long as you can refute with actual evidence. And n=1 is not solid evidence!
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May 2nd, 2007, 12:33 PM
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Rep Power: 46220 | | Thank you for your rant Steve. It all boils down to individual needs and what works for one may not work for another but the basics are there. And being HONEST when reporting your food is so important!! I have worked for 4 months to report honestly and even though I cringe at times I just looked at my average and even with all my 1500+ days I have averaged out to 1378  yay me |
May 2nd, 2007, 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve | Sweet Ill check these out. Thanks Steve. ps~give me some rep |
May 2nd, 2007, 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by tonymcclellan Sweet Ill check these out. Thanks Steve.
ps~give me some rep | You are welcome.
And ask and you shall receive!
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May 2nd, 2007, 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve When I see crap, I am not afraid to call someone on it. And if you say my stuff is crap, that is fantastic! As long as you can refute with actual evidence. And n=1 is not solid evidence! | Geez, Steve you're so stand-offish! 
In my humble and non-significant opinion it just seems like even when you're agreeing with someone, it seems like you're arguing!!
Hee hee--hope I'm not driving you crazy (or am I?)
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May 2nd, 2007, 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Curvie Girlie Geez, Steve you're so stand-offish!
In my humble and non-significant opinion it just seems like even when you're agreeing with someone, it seems like you're arguing!!
Hee hee--hope I'm not driving you cra | | |
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