Before I get done for any potential spam methods please be aware that there is a new concept on the market which I have just started on

I am fairly fit normally, however due to an injury I cannot train or play football as often each week as normal (and I am 44!)

I was gaining weight and losing sleep due to stress from starting up a new business, I tried this item and have slept like a baby, my blood pressure has lowered and I appear to have lost a little weight, whether it is this or I just don't give a damn, I don't know

I dont want to get into trouble so have highlighted the pros of this - anyone wanting to know more will need to ask.

Merry Christmas to one and all wherever you are in the world whatever religion you are lets just enjoy life!

Exercise and a healthy diet can have the same effects.

Man, Steve. Didn't you hear the guy? He's injured. Perhaps he shouldn't be working out if he's strained or broken something.

Steve,

thanks but at present as Mccaw correctly observed, I have an injury which DOES NOT ALLOW me to do exercise, so your comments are really about as much use as a chocolate tea pot!

seen your pics and I am about as fit as you are and thats with having to manage a full time job, starting up a business and running around with my kids and coaching football

dont need much exercise - just these patches have lowered my cholesterol, my blood pressure and I now get a good nights sleep

First, I didn't hear anything. I certainly comprehended what he typed though.

And he's in a very particular situation where he says he can't train. Although I've had multiple, serious injuries and I've always been able to train around them. Maybe his is different and that's fine.

However, 99.9% of the people here AREN'T injured. That's why I said what I said. I'm glad it's working for the original poster, but I certainly don't think it's something the entire forum would need.

Just my opinion.

My apologies.

We get ten people per day in here pitching some 'product' and it's my natural tendency to say 'go away.'

And I wasn't really saying diet and exercise work just as well to you. I was saying it to the forum.

If you can't train, you can't train.

Awesome man, I'd love to see some pics.

Don't I feel your pain brother.

I'm a partner in a very busy business, I work as a trainer, I was going to school, yada yada yada..... such is life I say.

Interesting. So you naturally look like me without having to train hard? That must be nice as hell!! I'm envious.

Hi and welcome . Wondering did you do a scientific double blind study or something, or how do you know its the supplements causing this magically perfect body (granted we haven't seen pics so we're going on your word) without exercise or diet? My H doesn't work out and is very cut and lean because of his natural appetite. His muscles are very noticeable but small because he doesn't work out. I dont see how muscles can get that large without lifting or working construction or something like that. I guess whoever invented this supplement should be a zillionaire soon!