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Is it fair or reasonable to post what program you use to achieve your weight loss goals?--many people have told me it's impolite to tell others what System or program you use--I think that a forum is a good place for ideas to be exchanged and circulated and if something is working really well, should that be discussed--(not spammed) I have lost 39 pounds in 8 weeks and if anyone wants to know what it is, I will tell you, if it is ok with the forum masters, mentors or whatever they are called.
Yea, you can post what program you're using. But programs are stupid for the most part. If it's working for you, great. But in general, one doesn't need to invest in programs to make a difference. In fact, in my experience, people do better when they don't follow a specific program. The rigidity of most programs destroys will and desire to adhere after a while.
With that many posts, you seem to be well read, and yes it is working for me. (38 lbs in 2 months) I'm glad you have such a strong opinion about programs, but I ask you? If enough people are sheep and if these programs sell to the masses, why does that make you so angry? There are so many ways to improve your health and if something works why bash it so hard? Some companies try to help and others, yes they are scams, but if a company makes products that work and satisfy the consumer, why rant? You seem to be a proponent of natural only ways of weight loss.
Post count most definitely does not represent knowledge.
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and yes it is working for me. (38 lbs in 2 months)
Congrats.
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I'm glad you have such a strong opinion about programs,
That's a funny thing to be glad about.
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If enough people are sheep and if these programs sell to the masses, why does that make you so angry?
I'm not sure I said I'm angry, lol.
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There are so many ways to improve your health and if something works why bash it so hard?
What on Earth are you talking about? I wasn't bashing anything. I was speaking of the rigid program mentality in general. I think someone has a very bad case of reading into things.
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Some companies try to help and others, yes they are scams, but if a company makes products that work and satisfy the consumer, why rant?
I'd be interested in seeing if I *really* ranted how many times you could find ways to ask the same damn question. It's quite astonishing what my few sentences above triggered, to be honest.
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You seem to be a proponent of natural only ways of weight loss.
Wow, you obtained that from those few sentences.
In actuality, I'm a proponent of whatever works. I've been in the 'weight loss game' for half my life in one form or another and I've had great success with my clients.
There are a number of reasons why I don't, in general, recommend programs. The primary reason is quite simple. All programs, and it doesn't matter which one, are simply different iterations that try and get people to adhere to the fundamental principles of weight loss. These fundamental principles aren't hard or complicated. Yet, most programs like to make it seem complicated. In doing so, they add a bunch of rules and guidelines. The more rules and guidelines they add, the more rigid the program becomes. The more rigid the program becomes, in most cases, the more the dieter feels trapped and the less likely the person is going to last for an appreciable length of time.
In my opinion and in my experience, what's best is learning and understanding the basic fundamentals that back all diets, prepackaged or not. Once you understand the basics, you can apply them to your individual situation. Test what you like and what works. Throw out what you don't and what doesn't.
It isn't tough. It works. And it doesn't cost an arm and a leg. Most importantly, it teaches people the principles they're going to need if they're going to make their weight loss stick for life.
My dislike for programs isn't universal. There are some 'programs' that are okay. But it's the concept in general that doesn't fair well for a lot of people. At least when compared to the alternative, discussed above.
At first I'm a ranting lunatic and now you are interested in my services?
lol
I'm joking, I know you didn't call me a lunatic. But I still find it strange.
To answer your question, I've worked in the training industry since I was a freshman in college. That was in 1999. Over the years I've worked full time and part time in the industry. Right now part tie. And I'm not taking on clients. I train a handful of people in person and 10 web based. But much of my beliefs and experience is littered throughout this forum. And I'm always up for a discussion if you'd like.
Last edited by Steve; September 1st, 2008 at 02:17 PM.
Ok steve, here's a question for you. What harm can be done to the body by the toxins we inhale, ingest and absorb in our bodies every day? And do you have any recommendations for strengthening organ function by removing toxins? Seems to me that harboring toxins could be a detriment to my health.
Meh, that's a bunch of hoopla for the most part. I have my clients eat whole food diets that are balanced and nutritious and they lose weight. Their physicals are great. I, myself, have done the same.
So no, I don't buy into that stuff. The real world results that 'come across my desk' is what I buy into. I know a lot of 'people' try and suggest what seems like voodoo to me... things that are required for total health and lasting weight loss.
I just haven't found it to be the case and I'm not about to waste my time on it.
That is, unless you have some real data for me to look at that is promising.
Last edited by Steve; September 2nd, 2008 at 04:58 AM.
No--I eat during my single day a week that i cleanse and it seems to work for me. There is no guarantees that the whole foods that we eat don't have toxins(pesticides, etc) so I choose to use formulations of natural herbs minerals and natural cleanses to remove impurities from my body. My nutritional intake is really good and my reactions to my nutrition have been positive. If I run across some impartial scientific study on cleanses I will pass it along.
Here's some info on toxicity and why the need for whole body cleansing--//articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2004/09/22/toxic-bucket.aspx--also look into the Mt. Sinai school of medicine study that showed 91 chemicals present in all participants of the study and the longevity of the chemicals in the human body.
No--I eat during my single day a week that i cleanse and it seems to work for me. There is no guarantees that the whole foods that we eat don't have toxins(pesticides, etc) so I choose to use formulations of natural herbs minerals and natural cleanses to remove impurities from my body. My nutritional intake is really good and my reactions to my nutrition have been positive. If I run across some impartial scientific study on cleanses I will pass it along.
How are you any more healthy than me, though? I've worked with the elderly. They're still alive and kicking, and in great shape. I eat whole foods as much as possible. I buy organic as much as possible. I rarely get sick, if ever. Not even a cold. Why should I waste the time and money on such nonsense if everything that's in front of me, ya know... real world data... simply doesn't suggest this sort of action is warranted?
Here's some info on toxicity and why the need for whole body cleansing--//articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2004/09/22/toxic-bucket.aspx--
First, as soon as I click on this link, it asks for my email addy. That's probably not going to be reputable enough at all for me to consider reading it.
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also look into the Mt. Sinai school of medicine study that showed 91 chemicals present in all participants of the study and the longevity of the chemicals in the human body.
Quite honestly, I'm not interested enough to go searching. I look and feel great. My clients come to me with problems and I help them look much and feel much better. I don't see all this nonsense adding at all to their happiness. I'm an honest and passionate businessman at the end of the day. Pushing this sort of stuff would make me feel dishonest, if I'm being up front with you. There simply isn't the data to support such claims from the scientific community yet. Someday maybe there will be. But right now, there isn't. To boot, as I said above, I don't let the science dictate my reality. It merely defines it.
In addition, I could throw you articles and research too.
The following is an excerpt from Scientific Status Summary- Organic Foods. Journal of food Science- vol. 71, Nr.9, 2006
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The FDA actually conducts its own market basket survey, the total diet study, which involves a market basket of 285 distinct foods analyzed for pesticide residues at the time the foods are ready for consumption. While the results for the total diet study have consistently shown low levels of pesticide residues in food samples, the FDA discontinued estimating dietary exposure to specific pesticides after 1991. From the 1991 total diet study, the highest daily average pesticide intake among different population subgroups (6- to 11- month old infants, 14- to 16 yr old men, and 60- to 65- y-old women) was compared directly with the United Nations Food and Agricultural Organization/ WHO ADI values for 38 pesticides. Estimated exposures were less than 1% of the ADI values for 34 of the, with the remaining 4 pesticides contributing 1%, 1.8%, 2.7%, and 4.8% of the ADI values. To put such values in perspective, the ADI typically represents a value 100 times lower than the highest level of exposure to a pesticide given to the most sensitive animal species on a daily basis throughout it’s lifetime that has not caused any noticeable toxicological effect. A typical human exposure at 1% of the ADI represents an exposure 10000 times lower than levels that do not cause toxicity in animals. Such findings suggest that typical dietary exposure to pesticide residues in foods poses minimal risks to humans. From a practical standpoint, the marginal benefits of reducing human exposure to pesticides in the diet through increased consumption of organic produce appear to be insignificant.”
To add, there's a nice little 2006 case study in Internal Medicine where investigators determined the subject's death (heart failure from hemoglobin suppression via hookworm infestation) was due to a history strictly pesticide-free organic food consumption. Moral of the story: if you ditch the pesticides, you invite the pests.
But all of that is just to prove a point. There's 'research' and articles on both sides of the fence. So it comes down to a matter of personal opinion and experience. Mine leans me toward not worrying about 'your stuff' to the extent you are.
If you feel that it's working for you and you feel better, I'm certainly not going to knock it. Whatever works.... I think I said that above too. It's just not something I'm going to adopt in my overall practice. At least not yet.
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