Well, then, it sounds like we're dealing with what I like to call Class 5 ignorance:

Class 1 - Unconsciously Knowledgeable
Class 2 - Consciously Knowledgeable
Class 3 - Consciously Ignorant
Class 4 - Unconsciously Ignorant
Class 5 - Smarter than most rocks
Class 6 - The living embodiment of the modern failure of selection in our species

When I lost 60 pounds after H's birth, I would off and on keep track of how many calories I was eating and it didn't matter how many calories it was. It could be 2000...it could be 2500...it could be 1500. The only thing that mattered was that I ate less than 80 grams of carbohydrates a day...and that my fat hit 40% or more of my daily intake. So..sorry..Dena..but I disagree with you.

But...if she only kept track off and on, wouldn't that mean she isn't getting accurate feedback? Calories don't know what day it is. If you ate 3000 one day and 1200 for 10 days after that, you may still probably reduced your calorie intake from your previous level. I'm not sure how thats is so difficult to figure out. I guess I'm not enlightened. The low carb gods have not looked down on me with favor.

I am making sense here, aren't I?

She had 60 lbs to lose. Let's suppose she started at 180.

Maintenance (especially considering the boat load of cardio I'm sure she was doing) would probably fall somewhere around 2500.

So if at most, she was eating 2500 on some days of the week, she still was eating in a deficit on others. If the net number is a defict, you experience a loss.

Look, you are only going to give yourself a headache. If you look, you can find this sort of ignorance anywhere. Most people walk around without even realizing their refusal to consider things foreign to their universe of what they think they know.

You can't talk sense into that sort of person.

At times, it's fun trying.... as long as you understand it's just that.... a game. There's not much a chance of reaching them, however.

sometimes the best part of beating your head against a brick wall...

is the stopping

I swear I've heard that before.

gee -i can't imagine where you might have heard that...

yeah, yeah..i know, its pointsless. she runs a weight loss contest that people pay to get into..and they have been bugging me to do it..so it just kinda annoys me, you know? oh well, whatever.

You pay to get into it?

Does the money go to a pot that the winner takes or something?

yeah...there is 1st, 2nd and 3rd place.