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April 20th, 2004, 08:57 PM
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Rep Power: 0 | | What about diet caffeine-free coke??? Do you guys think it is any better? Or should I just keep away from the stuff??? | 
April 21st, 2004, 09:37 AM
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April 23rd, 2004, 03:58 PM
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Rep Power: 10 | | there is a lot of other garbage that is introduced into these diet caffeine-free drinks to make them the way they are. You may not get the calories and whatever, but it's still not that good for you. I still think a nice glass of OJ or something along those lines tastes a whole lot better and does a good job of quenching one's thirst. | 
April 29th, 2004, 07:33 PM
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Rep Power: 0 | | | I understand that Green Tea is rich in anti-oxidents, which are thought to be cancer-preventative and all-over good things.
Me, I prefer a rich herbal tea - nutrutive value, lots of taste, and no caffeine. | 
July 22nd, 2004, 05:45 AM
| | Junior Member | | Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Toronto, Canada
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Rep Power: 0 | | Green Tea, etc. Quote: |
Originally Posted by Lisa Can anyone tell me, why coffee is unhealthy, but green tea is healthy? And what about caffeine free coffee. According to the chart on the green tea package, decaff coffee has 5mg of caffeine per 8oz cup, green tea has 30mg and regular coffee has 90mg. That means that three cups of green tea would be just as bad as 1 cup of coffee. Yet I was always under the impression that green tea is very healthy and coffee is not. |
Lisa, I'll ask Frank about the green tea thing today when I go shopping.
I take Green Tea capsules, which are supposedly healthy ...I hope that is the case
I DO know that both regular tea and Cofee cause dehydration and that one should drink one glass of water for every cup of either one.
Additionally, caffein helps to drain bone marrow (as does refined white sugar).
According to some experts, there simply is NO substitute for water. So they say that even if you are drinking herb tea, you are still supposed to drink water (so 8 cups of herb tea does not equal 8 cups of water.)
Anyway, I'm going to find out about the gree tea thing ... will post later ...
Weezy | 
July 22nd, 2004, 12:57 PM
| | Junior Member | | Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Toronto, Canada
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Rep Power: 0 | | | Okay - Frank says that Green Tea is REALLY good for you because it is rich in antioxidents and that the goodness of it overriides the caffein. He says that it's okay to take in a small amount of cafein. He also disputes the 90 mg figure on amount of caffein in tea/coffee - he says that most caffeinated beverages have tons more .... but it depends on brand, etc.
He confirms that large amounts of caffein such as that which you would get from coffee and tea do in fact drain the calcium from your bones (that's a bad thing ;-//)
He says that green tea is a really good beverage.
that is my report!
Cheers
Weezy | 
July 29th, 2004, 06:24 AM
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Rep Power: 0 | | I have read in several different articles that green tea also helps your
metabolism, whether it speeds it up or just helps keep it going....
I'm not sure but I take a multi-vitamin w/ green tea in it.
I recently tried to drink some hot green tea and it was ugh,  disgusting
but the bottles of iced green tea (arizona)are yum, but they do have
some sugar I believe , haven't had them for a while but they are much
easier to drink.  Tina | 
July 29th, 2004, 05:43 PM
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Rep Power: 28 | | | if i drink too much green tea it makes me nauseas. there are also FLAVORED green teas in case you didnt know. my favorite is Mango, but you can buy a box of multi flavored green teas so you can decide which flavor you like best and then just buy a box of that next time. right now i take one a day weight smart vitamins which have green tea in them. as for the coffee, its worth every penny to me. it helps keep my appetite at bay during the day and i drink plenty of water also so i dont dehydrate. i also drink skim milk and eat lots of yogurt so i hope that makes up for calcium loss! | 
July 29th, 2004, 06:05 PM
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Rep Power: 0 | | Calcium loss Quote: |
Originally Posted by wonderwoman if i drink too much green tea it makes me nauseas. there are also FLAVORED green teas in case you didnt know. my favorite is Mango, but you can buy a box of multi flavored green teas so you can decide which flavor you like best and then just buy a box of that next time. right now i take one a day weight smart vitamins which have green tea in them. as for the coffee, its worth every penny to me. it helps keep my appetite at bay during the day and i drink plenty of water also so i dont dehydrate. i also drink skim milk and eat lots of yogurt so i hope that makes up for calcium loss! | Really taking the green tea capsules or vitemins containing green tea is a nice easy way to get your hit of green tea without trying to drink large amounts of it. Green tea is nice as a digestive aid but in small amounts.
The coffee thing when compensated with lots of water is not that bad ... but make sure you do drink lots of water to compensate.
You are probably not getting enough calcium from the yogurt and skim milk. You should be taking a Calcium/magnesium capsule or tablet. Women are especially subject to bone loss and usually we are not taking in enough calcium from our food sources to make up.
It's not worth the risk you run of getting osteo - take the supplment and know that you are definitely getting the correct amount of calcium. You DO need to take the magnesium at the same time for proper absorption.
If you would like to understand more about osteo and the risks you run from eating improperly, read "What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Menopause". It a well researched and written book and contains a lot of food guidelines, tons of info and some great recipes.
I was diagnosed with very advanced osteo three years ago, and using this book and the dietary guidelines, I have succeeded in getting the osteo to regress. The last bone scan shows bone density improvement in all areas. What else can I say?
Cheers
Weezy | 
August 10th, 2004, 05:26 PM
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Rep Power: 21 | | | I would still like to know where the caffeine free coffee ranks. I believe it is better than regular coffee...am I just kidding myself? Is it maybe not just the caffeine that's bad for me. And ...do I also have to drink a glass of water for each cup of caffeine free coffee?? Does anyone know?? I am currently drinking a fair amount of decaffeinated coffee, but I would try and find a substitute if I found out it is just as bad or worse than regular coffee. Thanks | 
August 10th, 2004, 06:55 PM
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Rep Power: 0 | | | Lisa, I'll ask Frank on Thursday... he will know for sure.
Weezy | 
August 12th, 2004, 11:09 AM
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Rep Power: 21 | | | thanks Weezy, I appreciate it...and I'm really looking forward to hear what Frank has to say. | 
August 12th, 2004, 11:46 AM
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Rep Power: 0 | | Hi Lisa:
Frank says that (in his opinion, others may differ) and based upon the amount of caffein, the number of cups, etc. that, basically, up to 2 cups of regular coffee per day will not do you harm - provided you are drinking the glass of water per cup thast we discussed.
Cafeinated vs. non-caf - he felt that you weren't really gaining or losing a lot other than perhaps flavour/boost.
Ideally, 10 to 16 glasses of water per day, plus an extra glass for each cup of a cafeinated beverage.
The Coffee thing - where you run into the problems - cellular interference, draining the calcium etc. is when you are drinking more than 1 - 2 cups daily.
He also said that green tea, while it contains caffein, has so many benefits that they far outweigh the negatives of the caffein, also the caffein content in green tea, he says, is much lower than coffee or tea.
If you were to substitute the green tea for the coffee you would be doing yourself a huge favour, but if not, stay at 2 cups max of tea or coffee and you won't be doing too much harm.
Now if we read books by Dr. Lee (What your doctor may not tell you about Menaopause) and Graci (The Food Connection) they will suggest that any caffein at all is too much.
Frank feels that we have to adopt a more moderate approach.
Frank, by the way, was a huge coffee drinker and a heavy smoker. He did a complete turnaround, drinks no coffee, does not smoke and drinks gallons of water. Eats very healthy - though not a vegetarian. He is very fit - works out every day, really toned looking. (cute too ;-))
Hope this helps!
Weezy | 
August 12th, 2004, 11:48 AM
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Rep Power: 0 | | | Oh blast, I forgot - yes, about drinking water for each cup of non caf - he said drink the extra water because every extra bit helps. ;-))
Weezy | 
August 17th, 2004, 02:05 PM
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Rep Power: 21 | | thank you so much Weezy, at least now I know...basically I didn't do myself any favours by thinking decaff is better than regular. Well since it is summer, I will try and eliminate the decaff and cut back on the regular. Problem I have is that I get a headache if I don't drink any coffee at all. Really annoying, especially since I don't like being addicted to anything ....maybe I will try to get off the coffee alltogether, just to get rid of that addiction. But I can't tolerate headaches very well, so I will do it slowly... a little less every couple of days. I already started this before the weekend, so now I am down to 1 teaspoon of halfcaff + 1 teaspoon of decaff, which makes one mug for breakfast... Hopefully by next weekend, I am down to half of that and another week later "coffee bye bye" |  | | | Thread Tools | Search this Thread | | | | | Display Modes | Rate This Thread | Linear Mode | |
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