July 24th, 2006, 04:39 AM
Martin Katahn's Rotation Diet?
I'm going to be on the rotation diet starting tomorrow. I hope someone didn't already post a thread on this, I searched it but could only find journals. What are your views on this diet? I hear you lose up to a pound a day from your metabolic rate. If you don't know what this diet is, ( which I'm sure you all do because you're all really smart about weight loss. ) it's when you have 600 cals for 3 days, 900 cals for 5 days I think.. then 1200 for a week...I'm going to switch it up though and do 600 cals for 3 days, then 900 for three days , then 1200 for three days, because it seems that the third day of every diet I'm on I end up switching things up a bit. I'm going to this diet, because I was on a liquid diet for awhile and I got down to 187 ( my current weight. I started at 199 ) but then I realized that when I ate alot after the liquid diet, I'd gain it all back obviously, but with exercise & dieting.. I did ALOT better and didn't gain the weight back.. ( which is probably the same for everyone. ) This diet seemed to be the one that would work best for me considering how I always like a challenge & spicing things up every few days. ( & Yes, I know, You can lose muscle on this diet, but I will be on the treadmill for 45 minutes, and I'll be doing jumping jacks & crunches. )
Has anyone been on this diet? If so, how did it work for you? I'd like both negative & positive feed back.
Once again I'm so sorry if this was already posted, I know how annoying double posts can be, I really did try a search on "rotation" though & could not find anything
July 24th, 2006, 10:14 PM
hi, any information abt this? am quite intrested... thks...
Originally Posted by LOSiNGitALLx3
July 24th, 2006, 10:21 PM
This "fad" diet has been around since the late 80s... and to be honest, I've never seen any real proof that it works long term, or even that it's healthy long term... You have to be extremely meticulous about counting calories and it's a very very low calorie count on some days...
Ediets explains the diet thusly
The Rotation Diet, written by Martin Katahn, works on the basis that weight loss is best achieved by rotating or varying the amount of calories we eat. Dieters vary the number of calories they consume during a three week period (the rotation for women is 600/900/1200 calories; for men, 1200/1500/1800) for 3 weeks. The theory behind the Rotation Diet is that many diets become boring, so by rotating calories one can increase the variety and amounts of food. In addition, the author claims that the Rotation diet will prevent the body's metabolism from gradually slowing down and causing a weight loss plateau.
Katahn is the author of The 200 Calorie Solution and Beyond Diet, and a dieter himself; he provides a simple, sensible approach to controlling weight on a long term basis. To control eating during the maintenance phase, Katahn makes a number of helpful suggestions, such as exercise, drink plenty of water and avoid artificially sweetened drinks.
July 24th, 2006, 11:52 PM
I've heard success stories, although some people gain the weight back. I'm pretty sure if I exercise on it though, I should be fine. ( I'm just doing this diet to get the extra weight off, once I get the extra weight off my diet will consist of up to 1,500 cals a day, and exercise daily.)
Originally Posted by maleficent
July 28th, 2006, 07:32 PM
Just updating you guys on my 2 days of that diet, lol. It didn't go well at all, my stomache was always growling and I felt really deprived.. 600 cals for 3 days is way too little. It probably works for some people...it just wasn't for me.
November 6th, 2006, 02:05 PM
rotation diet plan
AN ASSESSMENT OF 2 POPULAR DIET BOOKS
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By MARIAN BURROS
Published: July 2, 1986
ANYONE can lose weight by taking in fewer calories than are expended. This is not a secret, nor is it magic. But most diet books promise both - a secret that works like magic, producing instant weight loss without pain. It is a promise they cannot keep. And sometimes dieters get more than they bargained for - weight loss at the cost of their health.
Martin Katahn, a psychologist with a Ph.D. from Syracuse University who is the director of the Weight Management Program at Vanderbilt University, makes weight-loss promises that apparently can be kept - at least over the short term. He has done so with ''The Rotation Diet'' (W. W. Norton, $15.95).
Instead of having people on a highly restrictive, low-calorie diet until the desired weight is achieved - that is, with an end some unknowable time in the future - Dr. Katahn offers a built-in psychological boost, a diet that limits its restrictive phase: for women, 3 days at 600 calories; 4 days at 900 calories; a week at 1,200, then a week of the 600/900 calorie plan.
Two studies of the diet's effectiveness are under way at Vanderbilt, one of them involving 60 subjects. According to Dr. Sharon Shields, the research director of the university's Health Promotion Center, ''a significant weight loss is achieved by people who comply with all the restrictions, who follow the meals exactly.''
In the group of 60, at the end of 4 weeks those who complied with the diet had lost an average of 10 pounds; those who had cheated - which was discovered through interviews - had lost 4 pounds. Results of a 12-week follow-up are not yet available, so it is too soon to know if the dieters have maintained their weight losses, something most dieters cannot do.
The Rotation Diet is not nutritionally balanced during the 600-calorie days, and the American Dietetic Association has criticized it for this and other reasons. Dr. Barbara Levine, an assistant professor of medicine and the director of the Nutrition Information Center at New York Hospital-Cornell Medical Center, says the 600-calorie days are ''a little bit restrictive, but overall this is not one of the really awful diets.'' To compensate for low caloric consumption, Dr. Katahn recommends multivitamin supplements.
His program touches on the three cornerstones of weight loss: food, exercise and behavior modification. Except for the 600-calorie days, the diet is balanced, high in fiber and carbohydrates and low in fat. But the book needs more detail about exercise. As for its behavior modification chapters, Dr. Shields acknowledges it is doubtful that people can learn behavior modification from a book, without a support group.
As a short-term, quick weight-loss diet, some nutritionists, like Bonnie Liebman, a registered dietitian at the Center for Science in the Public Interest, a Washington consumer group, say that this one may be reasonable for normal, healthy people who have consulted their physicians before embarking on it, as anyone should before beginning any diet. The Rotation Diet is not recommended for children, pregnant women, diabetics and people with heart problems or hypertension.
''Fit for Life'' (Warner Books, $17.50) by Harvey and Marilyn Diamond has sold 1.85 million copies since its introduction last year. Mr. Diamond is a former woodcarver with a certificate in nutrition from the American College of Health Science in Austin, Tex., which, he said in a telephone interview, was ''definitely a correspondence school and definitely not accredited.'' Mrs. Diamond has a certificate in nutrition counseling from the same school and holds a degree in Romance languages from New York University. Their book is based on ideas discredited 40 years ago. Chief among these is the notion that weight loss is achieved only by eating certain foods in combination with other foods.
Improperly combined foods, the Diamonds say, will not be properly digested and will move out of the stomach - but not before putrefaction and fermentation set in. ''Nutrients affected in this way,'' the Diamonds conclude, ''cannot be incorporated into healthy cell structure.'' The Diamonds never make clear how this contributes to obesity.
Correction: July 3, 1986, Thursday, Late City Final Edition
January 29th, 2008, 09:12 AM
Is Anyone Using The Rotation Diet?
Is anyone using the Rotation Diet by Martin Katan? Or has anyone used it and had success? I'd be interested in hearing your experience.
April 1st, 2008, 01:56 AM
I hope it's not too late to reply to this thread
... but I just joined the forum and saw this. I really like the Rotation Diet. I've used the diet successfully in the past, and have just decided to run through one rotation this spring to jumpstart my summer diet. It's sounds like a silly fad diet, but it's really not. The 3-week rotation part is the big gimmick, but what most of the book is actually ABOUT is the maintenance program that comes afterwards, which is really pretty mainstream (Eat Less and Exercise). This is a good diet book if you read the whole book. Probably not so good if you just skim the sexy parts ("Lose a Pound a Day!!").
The idea of mixing up the calorie count every 3 or 4 days sounds plausible enough, and he seems to have some valid scientific reasons for thinking it's a good idea. But mostly, I think, it makes dieting more fun by providing a way to get a fast start on weight loss without getting bored. I also like his meal plans - simple, creative little recipes that can be put together quickly and easily (great for packing a lunch to work).
However, I do find the strictest form of the diet (the 600-900-600 rotation) to be completely impossible. I'm an active person and that calorie count is too low for me to live with for even a week - I get woozy. But that's fine. He has specific instructions for modifying the basic plan if it leaves you too hungry. I can stick to it if I add a couple of additional carb servings and use the "safe fruit" concept. Another approach (which I'm doing this time) is to use the Men's Diet instead of the Women's Diet. It's about 300 calories per day higher than the Women's.
If you're going to liberalize the diet like this you should skip over the chapters with the "Lose a Pound a Day" hype, because you won't. But you'll still lose 10-12 pounds in a month, which seems good enough to me.
April 1st, 2008, 03:30 AM
I don't even know what to say.
April 7th, 2008, 10:50 PM
First week on Rotation Diet
I just finished the first low-cal week with the following modifications:
1) Instead of 600/900 (600 calories for the first 3 days followed by 900 for 4 days) I aimed for 900/1200. Did the diet with my husband, using the "Men's meal plan" but with smaller servings of meat and some minor subsitutions. This actually came out to more like 950/1250 according to my calorie counter. Close enough.
2) Okay, I wasn't perfect. I added one energy bar the day I planned to go ice skating (only to find the rink was closed, so that just turned out to be 150 calories extra). I got blindsided by pizza one day, ate 1800 calores that day. And somebody in my household accidentally bought the wrong kind of ricotta cheese, which I couldn't resist eating instead of cottage cheese. So my average for the week turned out to be about 1200 calories a day.
3) I'm not starting from sedentary, like most of Katahn's Vanderbilt subjects. He seems to assume you'll be slowing adding in exercise the first week. I just went with what I've been doing all winter, which came to about 2200 calories of exercise (ice skating, biking, gym). When you calculate in the exercise, it turns out about 900 NET calories per day.
I make fun of Katahn's claims that you'll lose "up to a pound a day," which is clearly impossible by the laws of physics. But damned if I didn't lose 5 pounds! Yow. Yeah, yeah, I know that at least half of that is water weight. But on the typical "sensible reducing diet" I don't see any change on the scale for the first 10 days. I have to say, this is a lot more fun!
I'm starting week 2, where I get to eat 1500 calories a day. Usually that seems like starvation diet to me, but at the moment it does sound pretty luxe.
One thing I like about this diet is the meal plans. It's low calorie, but pretty balanced in terms of fat/carbs/protein. I can't tolerate a super-low carb diet (I get light-headed and cranky) or a super-lowfat diet (no flavor). This is just a nice balanced combination of simple, tasty whole food. And LOTS of fruit. Fruit is my friend.
Here's what I get to eat today:
-Breakfast: half an onion bagel, toasted, with melted cheese and a sprinkling of chili powder. Half a banana. Coffee with 2T low-fat canned milk.
-Lunch: tuna salad made with low-fat mayonnaise, carrot, onion and celery, blended to a creamy spread. Packed into half a whole-wheat pita with tomatoes, spinach and those little pickled red peppers that look like cherry tomatoes. (yum) A small can of V8. A clementine orange.
-Snack - Clif Bar energy bar (this week it isn't "cheating")
-Broiled chicken, brocolli with cheese, and boiled yams. Whole-grain crackers.
Exercise: an hour of ice skating.
July 15th, 2008, 11:42 PM
I know I'm resurrecting an old thread, but I'm new here and did a Google search on "rotation diet" and found this thread. I have to concur with the previous poster about reading the book. It's reasonable and logical.
I was wondering if anyone is still following this, and if so, what have your results been? I just started last week, and it hasn't been as difficult as I thought it would.
July 27th, 2008, 09:33 PM
I'm just starting today the rotation diet, which worked very well for me 20 years ago. By now you are half-way through the second week? I hope is going well.
I also work with the BFFM program, but this time I need to jump start the process so the rotation diet will do it.
What do you for exercise?
July 28th, 2008, 08:27 AM
You are following the Burn the Fat, Feed the Muscle program yet you are doing that stupid diet? Maybe you should read BFFM a little more closely and you'll realise that diet will not work.
Originally Posted by aseret
January 26th, 2009, 04:51 AM
I have been using this diet off and on since 1989. Most people and other professional skeptics seem to think that the 21 lbs of weight loss in 21 days is unattainable. It isn't. It CAN be done, if the diet is followed to pretty much the letter. As a firefighter, I've lost as much as 20lbs fighting one single good working house fire. I've also lost as much when I was younger and playing sports. The majority of weight loss at the beginning of this particular diet plan IS water weight.
My wife and I are now on it. We started the diet on January 12th and are progressing into the third week tomorrow, the 26th. We both have lost not only lbs (I started out @ 278lbs on the 8th of January and am currently as of this post @ 255lbs), but we have also lost inches as well. She has LESS to lose than I do, hence my loss being more at the time of our partaking of this particular diet method.
We have followed the diet to the "T" and have NOT been lacking in any nutritional needs. We both work out an hour to an hour and half a day to achieve the results that we are attempting to attain with the diet. The menus are great and so are the recipes that Dr. Katahn has provided.
In order to achieve results, you have to be COMMITTED to staying the course and not straying. Believe you me, when I come out of the Gym and can smell 4 or 5 different restaurant's cooking, it's hard not to go and visit them for a HIGH CALORIE/HIGH FAT meal.
You can achieve 21 pounds loss in 21 days if you follow the book AND exercise. It is not impossible. You just have to keep focused on what results you want.
January 29th, 2009, 05:47 PM
600 calories TOO LOW
I would think the days that you can only have 600 calories would be very difficult and then your body would want to make up for it and overeat on the other days. Not to mention, you might feel crabby and lightheaded with such low calories.
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