Right, and it is also based on advertising and marketing to a select few people who just so happen to be the least educated when it comes to the topic at hand.

This translates into mass following, obviously noticed from it's huge membership, which surely can get results.... but those results would be better and faster found elsewhere IMO.

I am aloud to have an opinion too, ya know.

Look, I can understand how awkward it would be going to a gym where membership is comprised of majority men. If I were female, I don't know if I would have the guts to venture into such an establishment or not. Hopefully I will never find out, as I really have no intentions of becoming a female anytime soon.

That said, if curves is the avenue that is gong to lead you to consistent effort, so be it. Is it optimal IMO? No. Is it better than not doing any weights? Certainly. A lot better.

Are there not a few options to choose from in your area when it comes to "real" gyms? If there are a few, I recommend getting some trial passes and giving them the "test run." You don't know if you like something or not until you try it.

as am I -

I might not be as smart as you are - or in good shape but I do know that different things work for different people and sometimes it's giving them a place to start to get some confidence i their abilities isn't neccessarily a bad thing...

so this topic was about bread?

But I never told you to "not do something." Which is WHY I said "I am aloud to have an opinion too, ya know."

there are but there 30 minutes away and right now we have one car and my husband takes it to work all day so when he gets home I don't have time to drive an hour round trip to go to a gym when theres a curves 5 minutes away from my house.
Im having a problem when I was on 1200cal I was allowed 16 pts a day broken down was breakfast 4 Lunch 5 Snack 2 Dinner 5.
I added it and 1700 cal would take my points up to 22 pts. But I don't know how to break them down. Could you help?

it was about bread till I started asking more questions (off Topic) sorry.

i was just teasing -it's interesting the tangent this topic went off on no need to be sorry

And you are definitely smarter than me.

I only brought up my dislike for Curves and my concern b/c I have been in this industry a long time. I have seen MANY women think that there is some magic to the circuitry of the methods Curves uses.

I don't necessarily have a problem that Curves caters to women only. But if they are going to market themselves to such a group, many of whom are desperate to get in shape, I would much rather they promote different, more optimal styles of training.

But oh wait, then people might actually be in the building for too long of a time and their goal is to move people in and out like cattle.

Money is the end goal, right? Not optimal results.

If anything, they are sub-optimal. Now, would it be in the reader's of this forum's best interest if I didn't say anything? IMO, no, it wouldn't.

Trust me, you certainly don't have to tell me that certain people need certain things. And that isn't exactly true. Certain people need certain starting points. But the end goal is always the same. Get them to a healthy, functioning level.... physically and mentally so that the optimal methods can be applied.

I have started people out doing ridiculously simple tasks that involved no weight training. Because they were either not mentally or physically ready to do so.

If Curves is the "right" starting place for some, I HONESTLY have no issue with that. As long as the "user" understands that this is what it is: A starting place.

Why not ditch the points system and just work out your nutrition the old fashioned way. I mean, if you love the points system, I can try and help you figure it out... but I am not positive of it's inner-workings. You would have to "educate" me.

But, if it is complicating the process, I suggest throwing it out. There is certainly no magic to points. Calories will always be calories, protein will always be protein, carbs will always be carbs, and fats will always be fats. They were around long before the points system.

Back to bread -

Try Wonder 100% Whole Wheat for white bread fans (make sure it says 100% and not just "made with" Whole Wheat).

It's not grainy like stone ground. It's very smooth and light - VERY similar to white bread.

I'll try to throw out the points Im just so use to it for me its easier to tell if im close to my calorie intake or not. But I will give it a try.
Yes I agree with you Curves is a starting point and for me its getting me away from a 2 yr. old that I have 24/7. I need some space out side the house and with women with issues that I also Have. Thats the main reason im wanting to join a group close to home.

right now im eating sun beam (white) and it has the same amout of calories as some wheat breads. But I may give it a try in a week thanks. I just not a wheat lover in any way.

I can understand that.

In terms of tracking your nutrition, has anyone mentioned FitDay - Free Weight Loss and Diet Journal to you yet?

no, but I have seen the link on other post and I checked it out then.

Well, I suggest giving it a try.