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November 15th, 2006, 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by wishes Why is everyone saying 'just diet!' or 'just exercise!', combine the best of both worlds  |
totaly agree , well put | 
January 17th, 2007, 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by AllCdnBoy wrong, wrong, wrong!!! never cut calories to lose weight. that's why they are 'roller coaster diets' ... because you can't maintain the weight loss. I've posted this a few times, but here's what happens in a nut shell: a) cut calories b) body thinks you aren't getting enough food c) metabolism slows down d) you still lose some weight e) you start eating a bit more f) metabolism DOESN'T speed up, but instead stores the extra food as fat g) return to 'a'
You will actually find that people that are having problems losing weight but complain that they hardly eat anything will actually lose weight when they increase how much they eat towards the 'norm' ... the reason that there is a 'recommended caloric intake' is because your body needs that many calories to function normally.
Here's what you NEED to do. Examine the type of calories you are eating and remove useless ones. Try to split up your meals into 6/day with your heaviest meal being lunch, not dinner. You don't need a heavy dinner because you are just going to go to sleep ... calories are used for energy ... but you don't need energy to sleep. Cardio: do it first thing in the morning before eating ... you won't have any easily accessible calories to burn, so it'll look at your fat stores and protein (muscle). Try not to eat anything for the first hour after your cardio as your body still burns fat even after you stop. If you are worried about losing muscle tone, then your first meal should contain a healthy amount of protein ... shakes are perfect.
Weight train: muscle is the most efficient fat burning mechanism in your body. The more muscle you have, the more fat you will burn.
... longer post than i anticipated, but it sounds like it was needed  | While I agree with the majority of your post, I do recommend small caloric deficits for efficient fat loss. You make it sound like any energy deficit by cutting energy consumption is bad, and this is simply not the case. Our metabolisms are not as reactive as you make them out to be. Sure, extremes can do some crazy things to the way you utilize energy and your physique, but healthy, within limits, caloric fluctuations are the most efficient way to alter body composition in the direction you desire. I hate that I am saying this on this forum, b/c from what I can tell, a vast majority of the members here cut calories by far too much. | 
October 16th, 2007, 01:52 PM
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Rep Power: 0 | | Don't do weight loss randomly, expecially if you have other medical issues. You can do yourself more harms than "just losing weight". Seek for professionals, talk to your primary doc and see he/she can refer you to any Registered Dietitian or medical weight loss programs in your area. Becareful..... it is not just cutting calories or losing weight. | 
October 16th, 2007, 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by TLC Don't do weight loss randomly, expecially if you have other medical issues. You can do yourself more harms than "just losing weight". Seek for professionals, talk to your primary doc and see he/she can refer you to any Registered Dietitian or medical weight loss programs in your area. Becareful..... it is not just cutting calories or losing weight. | Can you elaborate please. | 
October 17th, 2007, 11:27 AM
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Rep Power: 0 | | Random wt loss can be harmful because:
Examples:
1. If you have underlying hypo/hperglycemia conditions, by cutting calories/not eating, the person can easily pass out or setting himself/herself to become a Type II Diabetic patient.
2. If you have kidney failure condition, by following a high protein diet and low carb diet, you are overloading your kidney with extra work. This will progress you faster to become Stage 4-5 Kidney Failure patient.
3. If you have underlying heart/hypertensive condition, by exercising randomly, you are overloading your heart. This will do more damage to your heart, might possibly heart attack(MI) happens.
I can go on and on and on.... about how random dieting or weight loss can be harmful. All I'm saying weight loss is not a bad thing, (we all need to lose a few lbs, CDC states that 1 our of 3 adults are obesed) but we have to do it the right way and take safety as a concern. So, seeking a medical health professional will be a safer and a better approach. | 
October 17th, 2007, 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by TLC Random wt loss can be harmful because:
Examples:
1. If you have underlying hypo/hperglycemia conditions, by cutting calories/not eating, the person can easily pass out or setting himself/herself to become a Type II Diabetic patient.
2. If you have kidney failure condition, by following a high protein diet and low carb diet, you are overloading your kidney with extra work. This will progress you faster to become Stage 4-5 Kidney Failure patient.
3. If you have underlying heart/hypertensive condition, by exercising randomly, you are overloading your heart. This will do more damage to your heart, might possibly heart attack(MI) happens.
I can go on and on and on.... about how random dieting or weight loss can be harmful. All I'm saying weight loss is not a bad thing, (we all need to lose a few lbs, CDC states that 1 our of 3 adults are obesed) but we have to do it the right way and take safety as a concern. So, seeking a medical health professional will be a safer and a better approach. | So b/c there are risks associated with minor sub-classifications of our population, we should all seek the advice from a medical/health professional who knows next to nothing about proper exercise and took a few hours of nutrition courses before we start exercising?
I think I'll pass.
I'd put my money on a forum such as this offering sound advice compared to most 'professionals' I've seen.
And to directly respond to your post.... certainly caution should be exercised when these sub-classifications of our population embark on a fitness routine. However, last time I checked, overloading (physiologically speaking) the heart was a surefire way to improve hypertension or the like.
Also, the last time I checked, 9/10 people walking around a gym aren't your typical health nut. Yet, I've yet to see one keel over dead from moving more.
I think you are being overly cautious, but it's simply my opinion. | 
October 29th, 2007, 01:29 PM
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Rep Power: 0 | | 1000 calories is crazy low. That is just going to mess up your metabolism and you won't lose anything. That Doctor is giving some bad advice. | 
December 16th, 2007, 12:04 AM
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God Bless,
mik
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March 11th, 2008, 02:29 PM
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Rep Power: 6 | | Confusion.. clarified!! I feel pretty silly. I was always confused by " burn more calories than you take in".. I was like if I am eating 1200-1500, how can I burn off more than the 800 I am already burning?? I was never thinking about BMR I feel like Homer... D'oh lol | 
March 12th, 2008, 04:24 PM
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Rep Power: 6 | | oh thanks for moving this powers that be lol.. I am new and didn't see this thread.. sorry.. | 
June 18th, 2009, 09:45 AM
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Rep Power: 0 | | This is an old thread, but I'm still confused. So you *should* or *should not* cut your calories below your RMR? |  | | | Thread Tools | Search this Thread | | | | | Display Modes | Rate This Thread | Linear Mode | |
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