Energy Expenditure and Weight Loss - Page 2

Steve · #16 (**permalink**) February 22nd, 2008, 12:32 PM

Did you just up and decide to buy all his books, Focus?

If so, wise choice IMO. They are all excellent.

I haven't read his new one yet, The Protein Book.

Nor have I read the Bromocriptine book.

All others I have though.

[Focus] · #17 (**permalink**) February 23rd, 2008, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve

Did you just up and decide to buy all his books, Focus?

If so, wise choice IMO. They are all excellent.

I haven't read his new one yet, The Protein Book.

Nor have I read the Bromocriptine book.

All others I have though.

Sorry about the response delay. Anyway, yup, and I most certainly agree.

I think I've finally made what I believe you like to call the "pain/pleasure" associations. I'm kind of at a stage where my motivation and desire are very strong and my success guaranteed, but my results sort of random (except with measurements and strength gains which are quite consistently positive). It really seems that it doesn't even matter what I eat (though I have noticed weight training is substantially more difficult without any pwo nutrition or carbs at all), it makes little difference. And as a result my patience sorely lacking, though not enough to stop me, just enough to make me chomp at the bit.

So I decided a while ago that I'd finally make the switch over to keto for the contest. (And then try Shugs' Velocity Diet for Weeks 9-12). And having made that decision I of course had to read all the relevant literature, haha. (I'm a natural speed reader and probably have OCD = "must know all relevant informations before starting!1!!1!!") Fortunately I have a deal with one of my clients who owns a bookstore franchise. Otherwise I'd have long ago gone broke trying to feed my reading habit.

The Bromocriptine one was interesting. For someone who doesn't particularly care for the topic I feel he really zeroed in on it. Made me want to give it a try, but I'm still at the point of wanting to do things naturally, regardless of how safe, effective or cheap some drugs may be. I mean if I was going to cheat I'd probably just opt for surgery. Anyway getting back to the book, really it was more focused on DA1 and DA2 and their roles in fat loss, and just happened to be discussing Bromocriptine. If anything he made me want to start taking Wellbutrin as a fat loss supplement, haha. XD I feel like I learned quite a lot in reading it. The Protein book was very good in almost the same way. Much of it is too advanced for my current needs, but fascinating information nonetheless.

allyphoe · #18 (**permalink**) February 23rd, 2008, 08:10 PM

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Practically speaking, you can use morning waking temperature to track this roughly. A waking temperature of 97.8-98.2 is indicative of a healthy 'normal' metabolism (i.e. 100% of the predicted value). Every degree drop from that is a roughly 10% reduction from normal.

If you're a menstruating woman, you should be aware that morning waking temperature (what in the "trying to conceive" population goes by "basal body temperature") is also affected by progesterone. If you're in the luteal (post-ovulatory, pre-menstruation) phase of your cycle, elevated progesterone levels will also raise your BBT.

I have no opinion as to whether elevated progesterone boosts your metabolism. But for most women, a pre-ovulatory BBT in the range above would be unusually high, and a post-ovulatory BBT in the range above would be unusually low.

wishes · #19 (**permalink**) February 23rd, 2008, 10:11 PM

cheers steveio for yet another enlightening article thingee. I read it and actually understood it all! its helped me understand and identify a few things that ive noticed with other people and myself. Those Bugg things look interesting, though a little gimmicky and expensive :O

Steve · #20 (**permalink**) February 24th, 2008, 05:52 AM

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Sorry about the response delay. Anyway, yup, and I most certainly agree.

I think I've finally made what I believe you like to call the "pain/pleasure" associations. I'm kind of at a stage where my motivation and desire are very strong and my success guaranteed, but my results sort of random (except with measurements and strength gains which are quite consistently positive). It really seems that it doesn't even matter what I eat (though I have noticed weight training is substantially more difficult without any pwo nutrition or carbs at all), it makes little difference. And as a result my patience sorely lacking, though not enough to stop me, just enough to make me chomp at the bit.

So I decided a while ago that I'd finally make the switch over to keto for the contest. (And then try Shugs' Velocity Diet for Weeks 9-12). And having made that decision I of course had to read all the relevant literature, haha. (I'm a natural speed reader and probably have OCD = "must know all relevant informations before starting!1!!1!!") Fortunately I have a deal with one of my clients who owns a bookstore franchise. Otherwise I'd have long ago gone broke trying to feed my reading habit.

The Bromocriptine one was interesting. For someone who doesn't particularly care for the topic I feel he really zeroed in on it. Made me want to give it a try, but I'm still at the point of wanting to do things naturally, regardless of how safe, effective or cheap some drugs may be. I mean if I was going to cheat I'd probably just opt for surgery. Anyway getting back to the book, really it was more focused on DA1 and DA2 and their roles in fat loss, and just happened to be discussing Bromocriptine. If anything he made me want to start taking Wellbutrin as a fat loss supplement, haha. XD I feel like I learned quite a lot in reading it. The Protein book was very good in almost the same way. Much of it is too advanced for my current needs, but fascinating information nonetheless.

I share your reading addiction my friend. It's a costly habit!

But a good one, I believe.

Thanks for the reviews. The Protein book is a definite read for me, when I'm done the books sitting on my desk waiting. Not sure about the bromocriptine book.

Glad you enjoyed and doubly glad to hear that the success seems inevitable for you personally. That's a good place to be.

I'll be interested in hearing how the keto diet works for you. I'm starting my upcoming cut with a handful of weeks of PSMF.

Steve · #21 (**permalink**) February 24th, 2008, 05:54 AM

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cheers steveio for yet another enlightening article thingee. I read it and actually understood it all! its helped me understand and identify a few things that ive noticed with other people and myself. Those Bugg things look interesting, though a little gimmicky and expensive :O

Glad you enjoyed it Wishes. Yea, I'm not sure how accurate those bodybuggs are, but at the very least, they can track trends in caloric outputs for people. There are a few people using them over on Lyle's board with interesting results.

Steve · #22 (**permalink**) February 24th, 2008, 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by allyphoe

If you're a menstruating woman, you should be aware that morning waking temperature (what in the "trying to conceive" population goes by "basal body temperature") is also affected by progesterone. If you're in the luteal (post-ovulatory, pre-menstruation) phase of your cycle, elevated progesterone levels will also raise your BBT.

I have no opinion as to whether elevated progesterone boosts your metabolism. But for most women, a pre-ovulatory BBT in the range above would be unusually high, and a post-ovulatory BBT in the range above would be unusually low.

As with any of these loose metrics dealing with metabolism.... it depends. Just a rough gauge, is all.

Doc Bunkum · #23 (**permalink**) February 24th, 2008, 09:24 AM

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I'm starting my upcoming cut with a handful of weeks of PSMF.

Curious, but what company supps do you use?

Been doing a lot of research on Biotest promoted on t-mag. Seem really good (but of course BodyRecomp doesn't have much use for Berrardi).

Have to be careful here in Canada because of shipping and import duties. Some good companies from Canada like MuscleTech, but it's always good to try something new.

Also, not sure if they'll even let stuff like t boosters (Alpha Male) into the country.

[Focus] · #24 (**permalink**) February 24th, 2008, 09:29 AM

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Curious, but what company supps do you use?

Been doing a lot of research on Biotest promoted on t-mag. Seem really good (but of course BodyRecomp doesn't have much use for Berrardi).

Have to be careful here in Canada because of shipping and import duties. Some good companies from Canada like MuscleTech, but it's always good to try something new.

Also, not sure if they'll even let stuff like t boosters (Alpha Male) into the country.

They say that but I have yet to have anything seized. Mostly customs just likes to jack you an extra $20 or so on a $300 order from Biotest. They don't even explain what it's for, haha. "Oh hey you owe us $20 for caring about your health fool!" Still it's worth it in a lot of cases because even some of the better online places (I can recommend a couple if you like) and Popeye's (where I shop in town) often charge twice or more what it costs to get products directly from Biotest.

I really can't stand reading their "megascientific" ad copy, but I've gotta say their products have always stood out for me. In a good way.

Doc Bunkum · #25 (**permalink**) February 24th, 2008, 09:45 AM

Thanks, Focus.

Never realized that you were a Canuk also.

Fortunately, I live 39 miles from the border and I have a physical American address I can ship FedEx to, so I drive down and then do my own "direct importing" into Canada.

If you get my drift.

[Focus] · #26 (**permalink**) February 24th, 2008, 09:55 AM

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Thanks, Focus.

Never realized that you were a Canuk also.

Fortunately, I live 39 miles from the border and I have a physical American address I can ship FedEx to, so I drive down and then do my own "direct importing" into Canada.

If you get my drift.

Contraband!!1!1!!one!

What products are you considering? Just curious.

Also, yep. Reppin' the C~spot, you know!?

Steve · #27 (**permalink**) February 24th, 2008, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Doc Bunkum

Curious, but what company supps do you use?

Been doing a lot of research on Biotest promoted on t-mag. Seem really good (but of course BodyRecomp doesn't have much use for Berrardi).

Have to be careful here in Canada because of shipping and import duties. Some good companies from Canada like MuscleTech, but it's always good to try something new.

Also, not sure if they'll even let stuff like t boosters (Alpha Male) into the country.

Truthfully, I don't use anything besides your basic whey.

I've heard good things about biotest's products.... but you're definitely over-paying for their stuff and I'm not sure the 'mileage' you're going to get from them is worth it.

For instance, my PWO shake consists of a whey protein along with some dextrose and maltodextrin. Some aren't down with this shake.... but I've always gotten out of my physique what I've wanted and it's economical.

The bodyrecomp forum is littered with heavy supp/drug users though.... so if you're looking for info I'd turn there.

mikitta · #28 (**permalink**) February 24th, 2008, 08:14 PM

Very interesting article. Thanks Steve.

I found it telling that, once again, we can say "here are all the rules for metabolism ... unless you are a woman. If you are a woman, we have relatively no clue because your hormones scare us. Just limp along and figure it out because we sure can't." LOL

God Bless,
mik

allyphoe · #29 (**permalink**) February 24th, 2008, 08:33 PM

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As with any of these loose metrics dealing with metabolism.... it depends. Just a rough gauge, is all.

Drat these imperfect, unreliable bodies!

What I meant to say (tired last night) was that if you really cared if your metabolism was "normal," averaging over a cycle would be a more reliable method than picking a day at random without regard to what part of your cycle you were at. Assuming that a degree is about 10%, you could be off by 15-20% in either direction just due to normal hormonal fluctation.