With all due respect, I'm quite certain he wasn't trying to argue.

It is the old vegetarian/omnivore argument. "Humans are supposed to eat Meat...B12". I've heard it before. It is an argument, that is what I mean by arguing, not in the sense of fighting. Omnivores think there are no other forms of whatever meat has, it is not true. He may be educated on the meat aspect, OK, I'll give him that, but as a vegetarian, I know what I need to eat to keep healthy. If someone wanted to go vegetarian and read that, they'd be scared away from trying it because they feel they may get ill.

Interesting.... you're "I'm not trying to argue" comment threw me for a loop with regards to your meaning of the word argue.

Anyhow, I really don't think he was trying to scare anyone off from vegetarianism. He was just making sure the facts were straight. He explicitly said he doesn't care what you eat... he was simply maintaining the integrity of information from my point of view, which is respectable.

I'm not trying to start anything here.... at all, actually. I'm just calling it as I see it, for whatever it's worth, or not worth.



Mind you, he never said being a vegetarian is unhealthy. But you did say you believe eating meat is "not healthy at all."

Well, biologically speaking, human did evolve with meat eating in mind. However, in our current day and age, one can choose to be a vegetarian and still get all of needed nutrition. It is a matter of personal choice.

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No, no...store bought meat as opposed to organic meat. My children eat organic meat. But if his facts are true, then they are true, I learned something today.

I respect that, and really, I'm not trying to take sides. It was an interesting discussion.

It's interesting to hear from someone right in the industry how cattle farming works with relation to the whole organic concept that is so fashionable these days.

I don't want anyone to think I abhor vegetarianism. There really is nothing to hate. "Deary me someone doesn't eat meat! Sound the alarm!" <sarcasm> The reason I brought up the "old" B12 statement in direct response to

Old argument or not it is a very valid point and one which I have yet to see a true response too. I took this blurb from the vegetarian society's website.

If you take a stance against health enhancing antibiotics it seems impossible to approve of artificially fortified foods. However, as I said, it isn't vegetarianism I am arguing, but rather this magical fairy tale land of organic where animals and humans live in natural bliss of ironic meat consumption.

I could go on an on at the cost of people's patience. Believe it or not I don't like to preach. I knew the disconnect between producer and consumer was large, but I never knew it was to that extent. I'll answer any questions you have truthfully and never sugar coat anything. However, as far as vegetarians, vegans, and the like, it is silly to expel effort to prove them "wrong." They've made a choice. A few less people eating meat doesn't really affect my day one whit.

That's great that you found something that works for you

I was actually my fattest when I was a vegetarian because while I still ate a lot of fruits and vegetables, I loaded up on pasta and bread and cheese and junk food. Just because it's vegetarian doesn't mean it's healthy and it certainly doesn't mean it will help you lose weight. That being said, I think people should become vegetarians for reasons other than weight loss. You can easily lose weight while still including lean meats in your diet.

I don't really have anything to say about vegetarianism, but I have a recent experience with protein that I would like to share.

I have been trying to add more protein to my diet. I've now try to eat some with every meal, and in snacks. I have tuna, chicken, sliced turkey, nuts, and milk and yogurt with the occasional hamburger. I've kept my calories the same (between 1200 and 1700 a day), but I've stopped losing weight. I work out a lot, usually burning 500 calories or more on the treadmill. The only thing I can think is that the protein is helping me retain muscle that I may have been losing before. Could that be it? Any other reason why this might be happening?