...by the 21-day trial. They will take your money even if you don't want it and cancel it in time. And when you try to get an explanation and your money back...suprisingly...no answer. Well, I can only blame myself for been a total fool. How many times I have heard not trust these internet promises.

Thanks for the heads up, gillette.

The product is sole through Clickbank, so I'm surprised you're having trouble getting a refund. I always understood that they were pretty good about that sort of thing.

Personally, I'd never heard of that particular program, so I clicked over to see what the deal was. I looked at a couple of reviews of the book.

Lower bodyfat percentage

"Mike starts out by stressing that bodyfat reduction and ab development are both important if you want to get that six pack abs and overall lean body. Getting to a low enough bodyfat % to be able to see the ab muscles clearly enough is much more important than developing the muscles themselves."

Well, no shit, really?

How to SUPERCHARGE your metabolism

"In order to lose bodyfat and keep it off, the resting metabolic rate (RMR) must be raised, since it burns 60-70% of daily calories. Calorie requirements are calculated from RMR. Since muscle tissue directly affects the metabolism, resistance training forms a big part of the system."

I thought most people on this board were aware of that fact?

Increasing RMR through exercise

"Since weight training builds muscle, it is a priority in this system. Free weights are favored over machines and compound movements are chosen over isolation exercises. Full body workouts burn more calories during as well as after the actual session."

Again, I thought most people on this board were aware of that fact?

Hardly seems like anything I'd pay $39.95 for.

BTW, here's a pic of that Mike Geary dude. If I was that thin, I don't think I'd be having to worry about a six pack.

http://www.truthaboutabs.com/images/dead_mid1_small.jpg

hey guys, i got the truth about abs ebook a couple weeks ago, and I felt is was really good. I had a question that I sent to the help desk and they actually got back to me later that day. not sure about your issue with no-response, but did you check your junk folder? sometimes emails end up in there?

as for the program, some of that info you listed is pretty basic stuff, however, this was a 150-page program, so obviously it got much more in-depth than that.

One thing I never really thought of before was the point the author made about the types of resistance training that you do... in terms of distance each limb moves and how that affects total calorie burn and fat burning hormone increase -- basically how you're wasting your time with bicep curls, tricep presses, leg extensions, etc if fat loss is your goal, whereas exercises like clean and presses, squats, lunges and others burn a heck of a lot more calories.

I also felt that the nutrition section of the ebook was actually the most detailed... lots of great meal plan ideas, and some great info about types of foods that most people think are healthy, but can actually make you gain weight, like soy foods, certain whole grains, and a couple others. The section about the science of fats, saturated fats, etc was very interesting I thought. I never realized there were actually some healthy types of saturated fats in certain foods.

Anyway, the ebook itself was pretty good I thought, and is definitely helping me to make smarter choices diet-wise... but what I'm really enjoying the most is the newsletters, as there's a lot of great tips that go out weekly and very few sales pitches. I've already gotten about 5 great recipes for healthy snacks and meals from the newsletters. I'd recommend getting on the newsletter: truthaboutabs.com/FREENewsletter.html

I think the real sites we should be worried about are all of these sites hawking the diet pills lately. This site is not one of them. From what I've seen, this is one of the real fitness pros that is actually sending out good info.

-Jacob

Gillette - trust me, that was a 1 time coincidence. Mike is as honest a guy as anyone out there and doesn't even refund the products himself (or his team), Clickbank does.

Doc - he's selling a weight loss book to beginners, not to advanced people who already know everything. For beginners and even intermediates, who he's trying to sell to, the book is great.

Also, it looks like you need to read up a little more because both you AND Mike are both wrong. Muscle makes VERY little difference in calorie expenditure. Every extra pound of pure muscle only burns about an extra 5-10 calories per day.

As for the lower bodyfat percentage thing, that's a huge myth and tons of people still believe doing situps/crunches is going to get them 6 pack abs, and since his book is about 6 pack abs, I'm pretty sure he should mention it...

Anyway, I don't even know Mike personally or anything but I've read the book and it was much better than the average weight loss book, even though some of the ideas are outdated since the last time I read it (for example, that muscle builds metabolism).

Excuse me?

A pound of fat requires 2 calories per day to self-sustain (fat while not technically active, has blood vessels and some small scale functioning that takes place within the tissue as part of its maintenance activity) and muscle required 6 calories. (McClave - 2001)

I've always believed muscle to be in the 8 calorie per pound range, give or take.

Umm...I'm not sure what your point is. All you did was prove me right lol...

I said between 5-10 calories per day per pound. That study says 6, you said 8 or so.

I'm confused....

Well, if it makes you feel better, pal, that you're right, then that's fine with me.

If you don't me asking though, prove you right about what?

That you only burn an extra 5-10 calories per day for every pound of muscle you add to your body..

Which is what Mike and I agree with.

BTW, have you ever heard of the concept of cell padding?

No, not physiology stuff - web page design.

It looks retarded on your splash page to have the text start right at the margin. Bring it in a few pixels or so to make it look more balanced.

Yea, just don't know how to do it haha.

That page was kind of whipped up quick by grabbing a template and getting a new header put on it.

Still working on getting it to look better, thanks though. I really do have to get that fixed.

That's what happens when you use templates.

Look into Dreamweaver.

About the best thing for web page design - not too complicated and doesn't generate any excess code. Easy to upload changes to your site.

Not sure what version they're up to now, but I still use DW3 from way back and it suits all my need, but I doubt you can still find it for sale.

Well it does say on the sales page that you will be billed for the rest unless you decide to cancel so it's not like you've been ripped off or anything. Clickbank process refunds in just a few hours so I don't see the problem there either.