I mean, I think people can view this thread without being members. So if a 'user' of said supplement can search it on google and see this thread and sign up just to discuss it. They're not necessarily spammers.

I think the thread is stupid b/c you have people saying, "this stuff worked but I also started eating healthy and exercising when I took it too."

How do they know it worked?

If it's for the energy, why not get cheaper forms of energy from things like caffeine instead of buying a hyped up product and paying the premium for it?

Or I like the, "When I stopped using I gained weight but I also ate my face off."

Supplements do funny things to people.

So do misguided beliefs mixed with a lack of critical interpretation.

Over-the-counter fat loss pills are utter crap, and allow the brain cells to take a nap.

Live it UP!..........Be all you can be and MORE!

With: EDUCATED EYEBALLS!

You: The Most Beautiful Discovery:

Enthusiasm is: A quiet spiritual strength: An inner glow; faith in action; One of the Greatest assets one can possess.
One of the most beautiful discoveries are recognizing your own inner strength and confidence.

Bridge this glorious understanding with your eyes and what you see

You bring growth to your beautiful discovery

Strength and Confidence comes from within. It is there all the time.

Though they can grow separate they grow together in prime.
(Chillen)

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Good advice is below.........


Diet pills don't work. Save your money and invest time and effort into yourself, and you will be rewarded a thousand times more than the money spent on diet pills:

The Magic Pill (by Chillen)


There is a magic (fat burner) pill:

One walks in their...Magic Pillbox....everyday.

Its you and the body.

And, every time you continue your diet and exercise, you take one pill out of the box toward your goal.

Yes, there is a magic pill. Its you. And, you walk within it everyday.

Chillen
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An opposite Thought:

A Poison Pillbox (by Chillen)


One walks in this Pillbox......everyday.

Every time you make an excuse to not exercise (when scheduled) or inappropriately cheat on the diet, you take one pill from this box against your goal

Yes, there is a poison Pillbox, and you walk in this everyday you make an inappropriate choice when dealing with the natural human impulses of the body.

Answer: Be the Magic Pill.

And, it doesn't come from an over-the-counter pill. You walk in your own pillbox.


You can be friend or foe to yourself and sometimes both. Think about it. The truest form of wisdom is learning to deal with yourself.

Chillen
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And, additional thoughts:

The human body is designed to eat and perform physical activity; I think this is a rather safe and obvious fact.
How one manipulates these two base facts, how one manipulates "choice" within their personal operating environment (life style), and react to the corresponding body reaction and adaption, will determine the quality of the results.

This base premise has served me extremely well.

For example. If I want to raise my aging metabolism, I manipulate physical activity and calorie "consumption", IMO. This is the natural metabolism booster.

I don't need a thermogenic for this.

Physical activity and calorie manipulation are my thermogenic.


I never have to question whether its the correct combination of things to manipulate, I just have to be concerned with how to properly manipulate these to become an effective fat loss or muscle growing machine.

I just prefer to manipulate the variables that naturally come through the body's design intention.

Not all of us are created equal in terms of fat loss and muscle growth efficiency. But, assuming one has no health complications (organ and hormonal problems, etc, where medical service may be needed), the two basic manipulations still hold true. For some it can be a major battle between the two variables--to find one that is effective.

Over the counter fat loss products, are designed to manipulate the consumers personal senses; it goes to the very core in what the potential buyer is trying to manipulate. And, this sells products.

And, in the marketing sense, this works and is a powerful manipulative force to one that doesn’t look at these products through: Educated Eyes.

But this is just me.

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And for a Smile:


Hickory-Dickory-Dock, Fat Loss Pills are a Bunch of Crock

Baa, Baa, Black Sheep Fat Loss Pills belong in the garbage Heap

The Farmer in the Dell please put Fat Loss Pills in Hell!

Old Mother Hubburd no Fat Loss Pills in her Cubbord.

Pat-A-Cake Pat-A-Cake Fat Loss Pills are a Fake and are Mistake to Take!

I have the a vocal HERB and must post a BLURB as Diet Pills DISTURB and stink like a TURD and I must throw them to the fricken CURB; isn't this SUBPERB!

I stand at the Curb at the BRINK of this STINK and THINK of flowers of PINK because I saw diet pills SHRINK in STINK!




Why did you buy into the "hype" with fat burners, when the ultimate and greatest fat burner of "ALL TIME" is within your own skin: YOU.

When you look in the mirror and it reveals your reflection make the connection that your body has the capability to bring fat burning to perfection. Therefore toss fat burners in the bin of rejection and enter fat loss resurrection.

You will always be the ultimate fat burner.

Figure out your personal puzzle.......FTW!!!!!!


Best wishes to all!



Chillen

do you prewrite your posts or do you come up with that stuff right then and there? if so, how long does it take you? just... wow... your like a walking infomercial for healthy living.

these 2 douchebags steve and chilly ( chiven ? ) are just so unicornin ignorant arrogant a-holes. ppl come here to read reviews, not life-time guidance from u shifty immature basts U FAIL !!!

hahaha, welcome to the forum. Your presence will obviously be appreciated.

I was unaware that 'irony' was spelled 'Oni2click'.

i'm just gonna go ahead and say if your coming here for reviews on diet pills this is not the place for you... the review will always be bad from those who know best and have actually succeeded and continue to succeed. not only succeed but take time out of their own lives to pass on their success free of charge. people need lifetime guidance not false promises and scewed ideas of what it is to lose weight. I'm sick of people thinking they can find a quck fix to change their life whithout making changes in their lifestyle. keep your 2 cents to yourself until it's worth something.

You are a nice, man.

With the marketing strategies employed by the makers/creators of these rather useless (over-the-counter) fat loss pills, one "should" educate themselves through this BS, look at the ingredients, and educate themselves on certain products, and when one does........they learn rather quickly....most are utter crap.

Why was Ephedrine banned and taken off the market in the US? Cause' it was causing some severe medical complications and in some cases DEATH.

And, one ought to watch what they buy, as in this latest scoop as posted on MSN:

FDA warns of 28 diet pills sold online - Diet and nutrition- msnbc.com

I do not have "a lot" of faith in the FDA (overall), but this is something rather different.

Fat loss pills........suck.

Bottom line.


Best wishes

Chillen

lol chiven, the real reason why ephedrine was banned is it was too good to be true. that's why other weight loss companies lobbied the shit out of ephedrine.
Mother of 2, well I hv nuffin to say,by reading ur previous posts, u dont deserve a reply, and it is not useful to reply when someone's iq is below normal.
kbye, u guys will never know why ppl all around the world call americans arrogant and ignorant.

There is no need to get rude and display more contents of your character.

No bottled (over-the-counter) pill, will out perform a bad diet/exercise approach, my friend. There is no such thing as popping an over the counter fat loss pill, eating 4,000 calories (personally needing 2,000 calories), and watching the miraculous fat loss show.

You can attempt to cloud the truth, but the true proven Heavy Weight Champion of all times for fat loss is right here:


The FAT BURNER:

Correct Diet + Exercise

The ULTIMATE FAT BURNER:

Adjustments and/or Corrections in DIET on bodily CHANGES and FEEDBACK + Adjustments and/or Corrections in Training + Adaptive PATIENCE


Fat didnt accumulate over night and THUS will not come off overnight and this FACT results in: YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT IT.......Therefore......

You have operate IN:

THE ULTIMATE FAT BURNER ZONE (as described above)

(Chillen)


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I will continue to give the forum and members posts to motivate the power within.


And, realize there is beauty within their own skin

So they can ROCK adversity on the chin

And, not from the placebo-effect of an over-the-counter pill.

Believe in yourself:


1. Enhance your confidence to believe in yourself and your decisions. Trust your own mind to think well and cope with the basic challenges that life throws at you.

2. Increase your self worth – believe that you are entitled to be happy and to receive the rewards that your deserve for the efforts that you make.

And, if you fail in your efforts, you don't have a choice but to get back up if you want it. If you don't, then stay down and you will get a like reward.



If you walk the diet and fitness road, their is a TOLL for the personal GOAL

PAY IT, and

ROCK AND ROLL!

Most good things in life have sacrifices that have to occur before the good reveals itself in full glory.

No matter the taste of food, nothing, nothing, replaces the taste and feeling one gets when looking in the mirror and it's reflecting the image of one's dreams.


Its TRUE there is power in TWO

The mind and YOU.



Do not feel BLUE ; YOU can BREW and STEW the new YOU.

Best wishes to all on the forum!


Chillen

I have registered solely for replying in this post, so I may or may not ever post in this forum again. To the point, I felt an overwhelming urge to come to the defense of the diet pill users as I feel they are being bullied, whether overtly or passively.

My personal experience is that they do indeed work, and you can keep the weight off, but as many anti-pill people and others will say, you do need a good eating and exercising lifestyle.

I was in the U.S. Army for for two years, and, as anyone who has served will know, weight management/peak fitness is key. I tried Hydroxycut, Hydroxycut Hardcore, Lipo 6, and Lipo 6X whilst I was serving. Outside of the jitters with all of them, and a tight chest sometimes with the Hardcore, I felt well throughout the day, and had no noticeable crash at the end of the day or any other noted side effects.

Stopping these pills is where pill officionados and lifestyle-change purists must come to a middle ground. The pill will enhance your weightless, I have no doubt of this, but you can be almost guaranteed you will gain some of the weight back if you do not keep up proper diet, exercise, water intake, sleeping habits etc.

Before either side goes judging the other, remember, life may be full of extremes, but the mid-ground is often the best place to reside. A tortoise/hare hybrid is probably your best bet with weightloss. Boosting your lifestyle change with detox and diet pills is great, but remember that you have to be willing to see this change through in the long run, i.e., the rest of your (hopefully healthy) life.

Now, to the Fenphedra, I am considering taking this at the moment. I may just use Lipo 6 again since I know it works and know how my body takes to it, but I am open minded about the Fenphedra. My research into the ingredients has lead me to believe it is a powerful weight loss aid, but I have no doubt there is risk involved. As I said, it's a risky investment, but as with any such investment, I will just cut my losses and learn from the experience if it is a failure. If I do try it, you have my word I will return here and post an objective analysis that can hopefully bring some useful insight to this thread. Especially if it is overly negative, so as to warn, but I will also praise it if it is positive.

Whether you or anyone decides on taking Fenphedra or not, I wish you all luck with your lifestyle choices/changes, and may good fortune and health come your way.

~Aquarius

P.S. An edit to my post, for anyone wondering why I feel a need to detox/take diet pills to boost my weight loss once more it is because while in the Army I suffered a serious lower back and hip injury which had me bed ridden for a time, then on crutches, then a cane, then walking, with a decent limp for a while, then back mostly to normal movement. I gained roughly 30 pounds in this time, and I am now at the point where I feel I can once again start working out. I have a good rehab program set, but the pills are for the sake of boosting my weight loss as my workouts slowly progress to more intensity, and as they become more intense, my pill intake will be directly and inversly effected.

What's that they say about correlation and causation?

Weight loss occurs whilst on diet pills therefore diet pills cause weightloss.

I believe this is what you are referring to.

The fact that so many studies leave out facts such as:

Say a subject was dieting and exercising then began taking Diet Pill X. Now, what these groups might not tell you, or may white-lie about is that the subject possibly changed their lifestyle, i.e. their workout is more intense, they are on a more strict diet, etc. There are even facts such as race and other genetics which will, sometimes greatly, effect these test results.

The fact that this bending of the truth does occur is why massive amounts of research must go into any diet pill before you commit your time and money to a program. As I've said, I do believe some weight loss aids help, some more than others, and some riskier to your overall well-being than others. Again, I condone the pills as a boon to your commencemnet, but be prepared to have to work extra hard once you come off of them to keep the weight off, as opposed to having taken the tortoise approach to weight loss.

My hat goes off to your valid point Steve. For those wanting to learn more about Correlation and Causation, to see how it pertains to the diet pill industry, check out Wikipedia. It has a nice article on the subject matter there.

I look at everything from a ROI standpoint

ROI being return on investment.

Supplements are overpriced. We know this.

I train as a profession. A decent amount of the population I've trained came to me using some sort of supplement. It makes sense, since our society is one that cherishes short cuts and marketers can, almost without restriction, feed off the desperations and gullibility of the masses.

That said, take the pills out of the equation and 'clean up' some of these clients' misconceptions and habits and fat loss occurs.

Put differently, the fat loss comes from the change in behavior.

Not the pills.

If I were to change no behavior or perceptions, but upped the dose of pill or changed to a 'newer cooler' pill, I'd be willing to bet a large sum of money fat loss would not occur.

So what if it improves just 1%. Improvement is improvement, right?

Screw that.

Why spend a bunch of money on overpriced garbage that may or may not work when there's room for improvement that exceeds said 1% by a moonshot in the things we *know* work like diet and exercise.

That said, placebo can be a powerful thing.

Is it worth the money to you though? That's a personal question that each of us has to answer individually.

And what about the long term health effects?

Me and my clients?

I see what gets results and what doesn't. Having them spend money on something that yields little to nothing is dishonest. Especially when the research 'backing' most of these products is unbelievably shitty and funded by parties of interest.

Good Afternoon everyone.
I just wanted to give you my update on the Fenphedra. I have been taking it for about 4 weeks now, and wow what a ride. The first 12 days I was really energetic, good apitite and spirits. Then it started to make me crash. If I did not take the pill in the morning, I would crash hard by 1000 hrs and feel sick. I kept taking the Fenphedra though, because I always heard great things but no ending. Well ladies and gentlemen, here is your ending. I have been having vomit spells at least 3 times a day allong with diariah every half hour to an hour. dehydrated, headaches, feeling low, dizzy, and terrible sleeping patterns.
No it is not a regular sickness. I have my doctor who knew I was going to use the Fenphedra pill, and he was well aware of the month trial I was about to pressue. He has been monitoring me every week for changes and health risk if any. "Personal test" is what we called it. Anyways, all my side effects where from this Fenphedra.
We are talking about a healthy 5'9, 145 LBS lady 27 years old with one child. Never had a health problem in her life, always upbeat and motivated, go downhill in 2 weeks time, with no rest in positive progression.
This Fenphedra is dagerous, and can really harm you.
Just to explaine how bad it is for you. I went from lying on the couch and not moving, barely able to talk while on Fenphedra. To alive well and back to normal after not taking Fenphedra for 32 hours.
I am writing this on my 33 hour without Fenphedra, I just finnished my checkup and my Doc said it is like my system is clear of poison.
You can take this as you will, but I just thought you should all know my story.
I would love to write more, but I feel to damn good right now and I am off to play with my son for the first time in a few weeks. Now I can take care of him, instead of him take care of me.
Be careful all, and watch what you take.
Regular healthy foods and regular activity keeps you healthy, not pills, and especially Fenphedra .
BB
VJ