I missed this post.

It's a funny one.

Please show me evidence of this metabolic advantage.

visit sugarfeeshelia.com shes been doing atkins for over 7yrs and visit low carb forums u will hear of women who have been doing it sucessfully for over 20yrs.

Like i said before READ THE BOOK and dr.atkins will show u through very detailed answers, i have no need nor ANY desire to persuade u to living my lifestyle "to each his own" however like i said before i want passers by to know the Truth.

What an icky lifestyle though! Once you take off your weight on calorie counting you can eat higher, at your maintenance level, which is often over 2000 calories per day. That's plenty, and you get to have yummy carbs too, like candy and bread. Not in excess, but average portions on a regular basis (especially if you keep exercising).

I've read the book silly one.

I don't take the words of those who have a monetary influence on the things they say as gospel.

I actually do research.

Obviously you do not.

atkins is low carb not NO CARB we dont need to "INTRODUCE carbs" we already have them,and people you regain it back have "reintroduced"..white and bleached flours i have no plan to EVER do that!...if and when i do want rice again i will eat brown.[QUOTE=Blancita;401161]The problem is indeed when you introduce any carbs whatsoever. You gain back every ounce and then some. At that point the calories will be against you and you'll put on weight easier than the numbers would suggest. QUOTE]

whatever gets u through the night..TATA

White rice makes you fat?

Keep preaching your bullshit.

Tata.

Steve, I think every one of her posts relates to atkins. She's obviously in love with it and isn't going to let anyone change her mind.

Yea, for those who know.... I'm always down for a good discussion/debate regarding the intricacies of nutrition and physiology. But this isn't a debate.

If someone presents an argument I don't agree with, fine. I'll explain my side, why I feel they're wrong, etc. If the person desires, s/he is welcome to rebuke what I said with a well-reasoned and articulate response.

That's a debate.

Disagreeing and having nothing but poor reasoning, like appealing to authority, does nothing but show one's lack of knowledge and comprehension relative to the topic at hand.

Said individual often wears blinders so large that comprehending statement foreign to their level of knowledge is extremely difficult. And using deductive reasoning....haha, yea rigth. That's not happening.

Here's an interesting one.

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J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2005 Mar;90(3):1475-82. Epub 2004 Dec 14. Links
The role of energy expenditure in the differential weight loss in obese women on low-fat and low-carbohydrate diets.
Brehm BJ, Spang SE, Lattin BL, Seeley RJ, Daniels SR, D'Alessio DA.

R.D., University of Cincinnati, P.O. Box 210038, Cincinnati, Ohio 45221-0038, USA. bonnie.brehm@uc.edu

We have recently reported that obese women randomized to a low-carbohydrate diet lost more than twice as much weight as those following a low-fat diet over 6 months. The difference in weight loss was not explained by differences in energy intake because women on the two diets reported similar daily energy consumption. We hypothesized that chronic ingestion of a low-carbohydrate diet increases energy expenditure relative to a low-fat diet and that this accounts for the differential weight loss. To study this question, 50 healthy, moderately obese (body mass index, 33.2 +/- 0.28 kg/m(2)) women were randomized to 4 months of an ad libitum low-carbohydrate diet or an energy-restricted, low-fat diet. Resting energy expenditure (REE) was measured by indirect calorimetry at baseline, 2 months, and 4 months. Physical activity was estimated by pedometers. The thermic effect of food (TEF) in response to low-fat and low-carbohydrate breakfasts was assessed over 5 h in a subset of subjects. Forty women completed the trial. The low-carbohydrate group lost more weight (9.79 +/- 0.71 vs. 6.14 +/- 0.91 kg; P < 0.05) and more body fat (6.20 +/- 0.67 vs. 3.23 +/- 0.67 kg; P < 0.05) than the low-fat group. There were no differences in energy intake between the diet groups as reported on 3-d food records at the conclusion of the study (1422 +/- 73 vs. 1530 +/- 102 kcal; 5954 +/- 306 vs. 6406 +/- 427 kJ). Mean REE in the two groups was comparable at baseline, decreased with weight loss, and did not differ at 2 or 4 months. The low-fat meal caused a greater 5-h increase in TEF than did the low-carbohydrate meal (53 +/- 9 vs. 31 +/- 5 kcal; 222 +/- 38 vs. 130 +/- 21 kJ; P = 0.017). Estimates of physical activity were stable in the dieters during the study and did not differ between groups. These results confirm that short-term weight loss is greater in obese women on a low-carbohydrate diet than in those on a low-fat diet even when reported food intake is similar. The differential weight loss is not explained by differences in REE, TEF, or physical activity and likely reflects underreporting of food consumption by the low-fat dieters.

In my own experimental world -- sample size of ME -- I've discovered the following:

I'm trying to keep to a 2000 calorie intake a day (if I get less, great, the idea is not more). I have PCOS, which is currently linked to a pancreatic inefficiency (it doesn't know how to throw out the right levels of insulin) and I am on my merry way to being prediabetic or diabetic if I don't do anything about it (case to point -- grandparents, parents, uncles, with diabetes).

One day I had significantly more carbs in my diet -- yes, I decided to splurge on those yummy Pillsbury crossiants because as long as I stayed below my 2000 calories a day, I was fine.

By 8 PM -- and after having consumed ALL my calories, I was STARVING. Ready to pass out. It was sheer will power and the promise of breakfast the next day that got me through the night.

The next day -- after having learned my lesson -- I had more protein. Some Asian style chicken with vegetables (no rice or noodles) and later for dinner, a steak with vegetables. I even included a piece of dark chocolate. Calories? 1800 by the end of the night. Hunger?

Not at all.

Yeah, I found that really interesting. I always knew protein and fats did give you that sense of satiation, but it's really cool when you see it happening in your body and so clearly -- from one day the next.

Trust me, it'll be a while before I indulge like that again.

No comments on the Atkins vs. other diets. I believe we all need to find our own way that works with our lifestyle, our bodies, and our minds.

Oh sorry for not explaining, I was laughing at the term "asshat".

How does that result comport with the theory that its all about the number of calories consumed and energy expended, and no other processes or factors have any effect on weight loss?

As much as I spit about calories in vs. out.... it's certainly not the ONLY factor with an effect on weight loss.

It's simply the primary one.