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Old January 3rd, 2007, 07:39 AM
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High-Protein vs. High-Carb Diets

This was posted in the other forum, I found it extremely interesting, I've been saying this same kind of stuff for a long time.

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Recently, the New York Times ran an article in its July 7 issue titled, "What if it has all been a big fat lie?" Unfortunately, rather than clearing up the confusion surrounding the obesity/diet issue, the article made the subject even more confusing to the public. Delving into all of the theories and hypothesis of dieting - without peer-reviewed, published studies - served only to be sensational and certainly not to provide any evidence-based recommendations.

The health benefits of complex carbohydrates are well documented and supported by scientific research. Consider these facts:
Fact: A recently released U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) study, "A Comparison of Low-Carbohydrate vs. High-Carbohydrate Diets: Energy Restriction, Nutrient Quality, and Correlation to Body Mass Index," showed participants on high-carbohydrate diets consumed 300 fewer calories per day than those on very low-carbohydrate diets. The study, based on food intake data from 10,014 adults across the United States, also showed adults who ate high-carbohydrate diets were more likely to be in the normal weight range, with the lowest average body mass index. Additionally, high-carbohydrate diets were indicated to be more nutritious than low-carbohydrate diets, providing greater intake of vitamins A, C, carotene, and folate, and the minerals calcium, magnesium, and iron. (Source: USDA Agricultural Research Service. Journal of the American College of Nutrition. June 2002.)


Fact: Researchers at the University of Colorado, the University of Pittsburgh, and Brown University routinely collected data on a group of people comprising the National Weight Control Registry (NWCR). To be eligible for inclusion in the registry, an individual has to have lost a minimum of 30 pounds (13.6 kg) and maintained the weight loss a minimum of one year. On average, the 3,000+ registrants have lost 71 pounds (32.4 kg) and kept the weight off for more than six years. According to researchers, strategies previously identified that contribute to their success are eating a low-fat, high-carbohydrate diet, monitoring food intake and body weight, and maintaining high levels of physical activity. (Source: Wyatt H, Grunwald G, Mosca C, et al. Long-term weight loss and breakfast in subjects in the National Weight Control Registry. Obesity Research. 2002; 10:78-82.)


Fact: Many European countries, such as Italy and France, whose citizens consume more bread and pasta than Americans, have a much lower incidence of obesity than the United States. Despite the anecdotal information provided by Taubes, Italy's incidence of overweight and obesity is only 37 percent compared to the U.S.'s 61 percent. France is only 31 percent. (Source: Institute of European Food Studies. Trinity College. Dublin. 1999.)


Fact: A study published in the Journal of the American Dietetic Association (1980) looked at the consequences of a high-protein, low-carbohydrate diet. The research subjects followed Dr. Atkins' Diet Revolution. Subjects' total cholesterol and "bad" cholesterol (LDL-C) levels increased, while "good" cholesterol (HDL-C) levels decreased. These changes were particularly alarming in the women subjects, whose LDL shot up nearly 33 percent. The authors concluded that "diets, such as this [Dr. Atkins' Diet Revolution], may increase the long-term risk of arteriosclerosis" - a disease characterized by sudden spurts in the growth of fat and cholesterol-loaded deposits that clog arteries, which may lead to heart disease. (Source: Journal of the American Dietetic Association. 1980.)


Fact: Data collected through MEDLINE showed a cumulative number of 1,543 published English-language, scientific studies had linked fat and cholesterol to the increased risk of heart disease. (USDA, Economic Research Service. FoodReview. Spring 2002.)


Fact: Taubes points out the percentage of fat from calories has dropped only because we are consuming more calories. Actual fat consumption has not dropped. Americans are eating more calories from carbohydrates, protein, and fat now than in the 1950s. The average increased daily consumption is 500 calories more than 50 years ago. Between the 10 years from 1984 to 1994, we increased our consumption to 340 more calories per day. (Source: University of California at Berkeley Wellness Newsletter. January 2002; USDA, ERS. FoodReview. 1999.)


Fact: Neither the American Diabetes Association nor the American Dietetic Association recommend following the glycemic index as a weight-loss program. In fact, the American Diabetes Association position statement acknowledges that although various starches do have different glycemic responses, from a clinical perspective, first priority should be given to the total amount of carbohydrate consumed rather than the source of carbohydrate. Recently, authors of Tufts University Health and Nutrition Letter noted many healthful foods have higher glycemic indices than foods that are less nutritionally desirable. For example, carrots have a higher glycemic index than jellybeans. Additional reasons for lack of support for the glycemic index as a diet plan include inconsistency from one glycemic index table to the next, and the fact that combined foods have a much different rank than a single food. People tend to eat meals, not single foods, so until every combination of foods and the glycemic index can be calculated, knowing the glycemic index of a food is not practical information that can be used in real life. (Source: Journal of the American Medical Association. January 2002.)


Fact: On April 25, 2002, the American Kidney Fund (AKF) issued a warning stating the organization has long suspected high-protein diets negatively impact health, but they now have research to support their concerns. According to AKF Chairman Paul Crawford, M.D., "Increased protein intake leads to a buildup of nitrogen in the blood. The nitrogen ends up at the kidney in the form of urea, where it needs to be cleaned from the blood and gotten rid of in the urine. The resulting increase in urination can cause dehydration, further straining the kidneys." Taking care of the kidneys is important since there is no cure for kidney failure. (Source: American Kidney Fund. April 25, 2002.)


Fact: The American Heart Association's (AHA) Nutrition Committee released a scientific advisory warning against the use of high-protein diets for weight loss. The AHA said there is no scientific evidence the diets, including Atkins', Zone, Stillman, Protein Power, or Sugar Busters, lead to long-term weight loss. According to the AHA, these popular diets may cause short-term weight reduction due to fluid loss from eliminating carbohydrates, but the increased consumption of animal protein, which is high in saturated fat, and the decrease in consumption of vegetables and fiber, which contain essential nutrients and help reduce cholesterol, can contribute to coronary heart disease, diabetes, and stroke. For sustained weight loss and long-term cardiovascular health, the AHA recommends a daily dietary balance of about 15 percent of calories from protein, 30 percent from fat, and 55 percent from carbohydrates - combined with regular exercise, such as 30 minutes of brisk walking every day. (American Heart Association. October 2001.)


Fact: According to the Centers for Disease Control (CDC), only 22 percent of Americans meet the CDC definition for regular physical activity, contrary to insinuations that the "leisure exercise mania" is providing ample calorie-burning exercise. (Source: Centers for Disease Control. 2001.)


If we would lower ourselves to using theories to support our biases, we could blame obesity on Dr. Atkins. His diet, first published in 1972, has sold millions of copies and purportedly millions of Americans are on his high-protein/high-fat diet. During that time, obesity had increased exponentially. No one can blame obesity on the Food Guide Pyramid. Only a few Americans follow the Food Guide Pyramid, a far cry from the 61 percent who are overweight or obese.

The bottom line - obesity has become an American epidemic, and an epidemic that needs careful evaluation and a solution. Americans are experts at playing the "blame game." First, we blamed fat and now carbohydrates and even the food industry. Perhaps it is time we stop blaming others and decide to cut down on our total caloric intake and increase our physical activity. Consider Asia and their extremely high-carbohydrate diets. Why is it the obesity rates in China (less than 15 percent), Republic of Korea (22 percent), Thailand (20 percent), and Japan (less than 3 percent) are far lower than in the United States (61 percent)? (Source: The Asia-Pacific perspective: Redefining obesity and its treatment. WPRO, WHO, Int. Assn for the Study of Obesity, Int. Obesity Task Force. 2000.)

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not to be a smart ass - but did we think that the wheat council would come out and say that a high carb diet was bad?
I don't believe in a high protein diet myself, I think all things in moderation are the safest way to go - but to each their own.

The internet is a wonderland of sources to back up pretty much any argument - HFCS Facts - What is HFCS is one of my personal favorites, brought to you by the corn refiners association that goes n abouot how good HFCS is.. (when the medical profession disagrees) I'm sure if I had the motivaton, i could probably find a source that says Trans Fats aren't really that bad for you
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I'm sure if I had the motivaton, i could probably find a source that says Trans Fats aren't really that bad for you
Actually, the Wall Street Journal just said that within the past 2 weeks.
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did we think that the wheat council would come out and say that a high carb diet was bad?
If you will notice, they are simply stating studies and statements made by authoritative organizations that know what they are doing. They're not pulling this stuff out of a hat.

The fact of the manner is that the good Lord designed us to fuel off of carbohydrates. The most healthy thing to do is to get plenty of exercise and consume plenty of complex carbohydrates to fuel that exercise. You can't have one without the other. If you have a sloth-like existence and binge on simple sugars or refined white bread and such, sure, you'll pack on the pounds, but if you exercise, you can consume a high amount of complex carbs and still lose weight, feel great, and be healthier than the alternative.
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Questions on cal/carb/protein

Hey everyone do I need to count my protein and carbs to my total calories as well if 1 carb/protein = 4 cal? The calculator says eat 2500 calories to lose weight for a 500 deficeint and if they have carb or protein, that would be way over 2500. Do people that lose around 1 to 2 pound a week ONLY count calories or do you count with carbs/proteins? Thanks for your help
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Hey everyone do I need to count my protein and carbs to my total calories as well if 1 carb/protein = 4 cal? The calculator says eat 2500 calories to lose weight for a 500 deficeint and if they have carb or protein, that would be way over 2500. Do people that lose around 1 to 2 pound a week ONLY count calories or do you count with carbs/proteins? Thanks for your help
I take my total amount of calories I can eat in a day and divide them up, 15%fat, 35% protien, and 50% carbs (as best I can) then I devide them into 6 small meals.
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For instance, if I need 3500 calories to maintain, that is the number I will shoot for.

I like to have 1 - 1.5 gm of protein for each pound that I weigh. Right now that would be 195. There are 4 calories in each gram of protein, which equals out to be 975 calories (using 1.25 grams/lb). If you are not weight training, these requirements would be lower.

Then I worry about my fats. I like to have somewhere in the neighborhood of 50-100 grams as a minimum. Of this, I keep it to the healthy side of things with monounsaturateds (olive oil), certain polyunsaturateds (omega-6/9s, stuff like flax oil, borage oil, etc), and a source of omega-3s (fish oil caps, or a serving of omega-3 rich fish like salmon). Let's say from this, I take in 100 grams of fat. There are 9 calories per gram of fat, leaving us with 900 calories here.

That gives us a total of 1875 calories, while I am shooting for 3500! I need 1625 more. This is where I add my carbs and I toy around with the other macronutrients too. As an average, I would say 200 grams of carbs is a good number for an active individual. I have gone much higher myself. At any rate, once you calculate your proteins and fats, you fill the deficit needed to reach your caloric goal with a mixture of the 3.

It tends to be very personal and goal dependent from this point forward. If you were going to be doing a lot of frequent cycling, I would load up on carbs, especially close to your workouts/cycles. Active people can benefit from carbs, although there is no such thing as an essential carbohydrate, there are only essential amino acids and essential fats.
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High "Carb" diets

I lost 30.5 lbs on a very high "complex" carb diet in 7 weeks. I was on the Rice Clinic diet which consists of eating only whole foods and no refined carbs, sugars or sodium. The only proteins allowed in the first phase were beans and fat-free dairy but I used soy or rice milk which weren't fat free and still lost weight, so no "meats" were allowed in the beginning phase. I felt absolutely wonderful! The caloric consumption was way lower because of all the fiber from the fruits and veges, I was feeling way too full to eat too much. I've modified the plan now to add animal protein because my iron intake is borderline but I'm still losing weight. I think when alot of people hear the word "carbs" they think of just white breads, pastas and sugars. Most people don't realize that fruits and veges are carbs!

Just wanted to let ya'll know about my own personal experience. BTW, there is a Rice Clinic forum here if anyone is interested.

Oh, and maleficent, LOL, you WILL find a study on Trans Fats being good for you! But it's the trans fats in coconut oil which is a medium chain triglyceride. MCTs are what body builders use and they actually give them to preemie babies in the NICU to help them gain what the docs call "brown fat" to help them retain body heat. I had two preemies and they both were on it. From what I've read, some people are claiming that losing weight is a side effect from taking virgin coconut oil.

Like you said, if you go looking for something these days chances are you'll pretty much find it. Especially with google around now!

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Burning Fats/Protein/Carbs

I am looking to loose some wieght, however i have found it extremly hard to burn all the calories I have intaken.

Would i still be loosing weight if i was only to burn calories from fat? Rather than Fat, Protien and Carbs?

Any help would be appreciated

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I don't think your body can distinguise between fat calories/carb calories and protein calories - when it comes to burning it off

the basic principal behind weight loss is to use more calories than you take in - but don't forget that breathing, sitting on your behind watching television, and sleeping also burn calories.

You want to figure out what your maintenace calories, adding in your activity level, (search this site fro harris benedict formula, it's in several threads_) and that will give you your base caloris to start with -then depending on what your starting weight is - subtract a certain amount of calories a day and you will lose weight.

If you eat a dozen strawberries, you don't have to concentrate on burning off 100 calories.. that will happen as part of your every day activity...
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I am looking to loose some wieght, however i have found it extremly hard to burn all the calories I have intaken.

Would i still be loosing weight if i was only to burn calories from fat? Rather than Fat, Protien and Carbs?

I think you need to turn around the way you are looking at this.
Instead of trying to burn off the excess calories that you have eaten, figure out how many calories you have to eat to maintain your current weight & eat less of them.
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Ok Thank You for Helping me understand this

So using the Harris-Benedict Equation, my "BEE" is 1667

What does this Mean?
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High protein or High carb

Which one works better, I’ve been browsing the net to find some answers and I end up getting different answers.

I’m just curious what kind of diet you guys use to lose some weight.

Which one is safer and which one will last ?

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the one that will last is the one that ou can stick with for the rest of your life... neither high carb nor high protein but all thhings in moderation...
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What about fat? Currently Im running a low carb diet, 74g per day. I would look more into calories as a total then which one to eat most of.
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