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July 21st, 2007, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by almostthere On my strength training days should I still be aiming for a calorie deficit if my goal is to lose fat and keep muscle mass or should I go for a surplus and build muscle? | There's no right or wrong to that question.
In my experience, cycling so rapidly between muscle building and fat loss doesn't work with a lot of efficiency.
That said, my advice would be to stay in a deficit straight across.
If you want, you can have a little more cals on strength training days.... but remain in a deficit. Quote: |
The food I eat on both those days are the same as well but I made sure to eat most of my protein before and after my workouts on both strength training and cardio days.
| IMO, your protein should be spread evenly across all of your meals, ideally.
Oh I meant my time on the treadmill as cardio.[/QUOTE] | 
July 21st, 2007, 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve IMO, your protein should be spread evenly across all of your meals, ideally. | Can you explain why? I've always thought it was ideal to have protein before and after your workouts. | 
July 21st, 2007, 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by almostthere Can you explain why? I've always thought it was ideal to have protein before and after your workouts. | If there's any macronutrient you should center around workouts, it's carbs. | 
July 21st, 2007, 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve If there's any macronutrient you should center around workouts, it's carbs. | So now I'm a little confused, is it not ideal or makes no difference to have protein before and after a workout? I know carbs is for energy and I spread those out evenly throughout the day. | 
July 21st, 2007, 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by almostthere So now I'm a little confused, is it not ideal or makes no difference to have protein before and after a workout? I know carbs is for energy and I spread those out evenly throughout the day. | IMO, you should spread your meals over the entire day pretty evenly. However, I've realized my best results while dieting when I maintain that evenness with proteins and fats, and keep carb consumption for pre/post workout only aside from fruits and veggies.
There are no hard set rules here, just finding what works best for you.
When it comes to post workout nutrition, I like using a shake that consists of protein and carbs (fast digesting) only. | 
July 21st, 2007, 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve IMO, you should spread your meals over the entire day pretty evenly. However, I've realized my best results while dieting when I maintain that evenness with proteins and fats, and keep carb consumption for pre/post workout only aside from fruits and veggies.
There are no hard set rules here, just finding what works best for you.
When it comes to post workout nutrition, I like using a shake that consists of protein and carbs (fast digesting) only. | Alright thanks a lot, I guess I'll spread my protein out a bit more and put some more carbs in my pre workout meal. | 
July 26th, 2007, 10:42 PM
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Rep Power: 0 | | Once again Steve i must thank you for this topic. It helped me out a lot. My goal was to lose 30 pounds by june and i almost did. If i would have followed everything to a T im sure i would have just the full 30. | 
July 27th, 2007, 03:58 AM
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Originally Posted by 243230 Once again Steve i must thank you for this topic. It helped me out a lot. My goal was to lose 30 pounds by june and i almost did. If i would have followed everything to a T im sure i would have just the full 30. | Anytime! And that's great! Are you keeping up with it still? | 
July 27th, 2007, 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Steve Anytime! And that's great! Are you keeping up with it still? | Im trying. I have slacked a bit on diet(not eating enough, or having what i should eat), and this past week i didnt work out as much. Im going to the gym later today and now that the court is open i also play ball again. | 
July 27th, 2007, 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by 243230 Im trying. I have slacked a bit on diet(not eating enough, or having what i should eat), and this past week i didnt work out as much. Im going to the gym later today and now that the court is open i also play ball again. | Good to hear. Just keep up with it. If you trip up for a few days, so what! That's doesn't matter anymore. What matters is what you do today. | 
September 20th, 2007, 10:10 PM
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Rep Power: 12 | | Hey Steve, great advice on this thread. We are so fortunate to have you around here. Anyway, I have a bowflex at home and some dumbells. 10, 20, 35, 50lbs and an adjustable set that does anything from 0-30 lbs.
I'll give you my routine really quick. I don't know the name of most excercises so ill try to explain.
Bench Press 6-8 reps 4x
Lift dumbells over my head when im sitting 6-8 reps 4x
flys 6-8 reps 4x
cross pulls (standing and pulling the handels in a cross pattern)6-8 4x
tricep workout, lean forward on a chair and have my elbow parallel with my body and extend my arm. 6-8 reps 4x
sitting on the machine i pull down from the top behind my head 6-8 4x
sitting again, pull up motion, 6-8 4x
hammer curls 6-8 2x
regular curls 6-8 2x
another curl where i curl 3x half way from bottom to middle and 3x halfway from middle to top and 3x full curls... i do this 2x.
i do a neck workout where i grab the heavy dumbells and raise my shoulders, 6-8 reps 4x
and i finish with a variation of the bench press (you can do so many with the bowflex) 6-8reps 4x.
I do this workout 3-4 times a week.... I want to do a workout 6 days a week and I guess im looking to specialise spacific muscle groups every day of the week instead of full body workouts. Do you have any advice?
Also i dont work my legs much because they get a crazy workout with my cardio, i do cardio 6 days a week plus i play ice hockey twice a week.
thanks in advance... ohh and the pounds are comming off like crazy right now | 
September 21st, 2007, 05:31 AM
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September 21st, 2007, 06:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Steve What are you trying to achieve, first off? | Fat loss first, then once I'm 180 ish, maybe 170 i want to add muscle mass. | 
September 21st, 2007, 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Bigreen Bench Press 6-8 reps 4x
Lift dumbells over my head when im sitting 6-8 reps 4x
flys 6-8 reps 4x
cross pulls (standing and pulling the handels in a cross pattern)6-8 4x
tricep workout, lean forward on a chair and have my elbow parallel with my body and extend my arm. 6-8 reps 4x
sitting on the machine i pull down from the top behind my head 6-8 4x
sitting again, pull up motion, 6-8 4x
hammer curls 6-8 2x
regular curls 6-8 2x
another curl where i curl 3x half way from bottom to middle and 3x halfway from middle to top and 3x full curls... i do this 2x.
i do a neck workout where i grab the heavy dumbells and raise my shoulders, 6-8 reps 4x
and i finish with a variation of the bench press (you can do so many with the bowflex) 6-8reps 4x. | Far too much volume and isolation work. Not enough pulling exercises. Quote: |
I want to do a workout 6 days a week
| Why? Quote: |
im looking to specialise spacific muscle groups every day of the week instead of full body workouts.
| Why? Quote: |
Also i dont work my legs much because they get a crazy workout with my cardio, i do cardio 6 days a week plus i play ice hockey twice a week.
| I'd still train legs. | 
September 21st, 2007, 07:11 AM
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Rep Power: 12 | | 6 days a week because I absolutely love working out. I didn't at first but i really love it now.
Specific muscle groups each day so that i can rest some groups for a day or two after i work out with them. As you can see i have a very generic workout that can probably be put to better use. Basically I'm looking for advice on a better routine. I know it's not the best.
About the legs, my legs are huge (all muscle) and they are not propotionate to my body. I really don't want them any bigger. I guess carying all that weight all those years has really built them up. My calves are the biggest I've seen. |  | | | Thread Tools | Search this Thread | | | | | Display Modes | Rate This Thread | Linear Mode | |
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